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April 17th, 2012, 11:50 AM
Lorraine Beottner wrote what he called a "book"
claimingt that millions (i think he said 50 million) were killed during the time of the Inquisition
well, there are liars and then there are BIG liars... Mr Boetner being of the latter group
the whole population of Europe at that time was not 50 mil
because there had been the Black Plaque... and etc... people did not live very long back then also
50 million
it was approximately 3000
and every person accused of heresy had the chance to recant...
it stands to reason that if Christ established ONE Church, to believe something that Church does not teach is heresy
so these people loved what they chose to beleive in (heresy) more than the truth... more than their lives. that was THEIR choice
and many convicts CHOSE to be tried by the Inquisition court... because it was known for its fairness... So maybe a few of the members of the court were sinners... Gee, what a shocker...
doesn't mean the whole thing was worthless... but apparently history has a lot of re-writers... who are willing to lie
also, many priests/bishops attempted to SAVE heretics from being killed by the king/queen
the Church has never taught that people should be FORCED to convert... This is shown today when we see protestants trying to force people to believe in things (OSAS)... but Ctaholics... well, they go to the other extreme and often wont try to convert anyone...
but they can hardly be accused of coersion /force
Last edited by TruthSetsFree; May 1st, 2012 at 03:24 PM.
You know what the Bible teaches the actual church in Acts did for heretics, they threw them out of the church.
You know what didn't happen in the NT church, anybody tortured, killed, imprisoned, or beaten because they disagreed with Peter or any of the other church leaders.
Now does the Inquisition mean that all those who are Roman Catholic are unsaved or that Catholicism is inherently wrong,? No it does not.
At the very least Catholics should acknowledge that the Church is not to encourage or endorse any act of violence against those who teach false doctrine or those who practice other religions.
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April 17th, 2012, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
Lorraine Beottner wrote what he called a "book"
claimingt that millions (i think he said 50 million) were killed during the time of the Inquisition
well, there are liars and then there are BIG liars... Mr Boetner being of the latter group
the whole population of Europe at that time was not 50 mil
because there had been the Black Plaque... and etc... people did not live very long back then also
50 million
it was approximately 3000
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and every person accused of heresy had the chance to recant...
This is not something Jesus or the original apostles taught... this came about due to the Romanized Church being drunk with power and being overzealous about covering up its insecurity.
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it stands to reason that if Christ established ONE Church, to believe something that Church does not teach is heresy
Jesus and the apostles told us to not have anything to do with someone that taught another gospel... they never labeled anyone a heretic or even hinted that capital punishment should be applied. In fact, Jesus and the Apostles were opposed to being in charge of government for this very reason.
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so these people loved what they chose to beleive in (heresy) more than the truth... more than their lives. that was THEIR choice
And it is the Holy Spirits right to guide the believer into all truth, and somethings this takes a lot of time. The RCC, by appointing itself judge and executioner showed impatience in letting the Holy Spirit work.. and thus did the work of the devil instead.
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and many convicts CHOOSE to be tried by the Inquisition court... because it was known for its fairness... So maybe a few of the members of the court were sinners... Gee, what a shocker...
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doesn't mean the whole thing was worthless... but apparently history has a lot of re-writers... who are willing to lie
even if one died, it was a travesty. It's too bad that your church didn't view human life as it does now in its stance on abortion... aborting the living should carry just as much weight as aborting the unborn.
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also, many priests/bishops attempted to SAVE heretics from being killed by the king/queen
Good for them.. unfortunately they were in the minority within their own church.
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the Church has never taught that people should be FORCED to convert... This is shown today when we see protestants trying to force people to believe in things (OSAS)... but Ctaholics... well, they go to the other extreme and often wont try to convert anyone...
Protestants don't force anything on anyone. We dont force OSAS on anyone, all we do is appeal to logic.. in the end it really is a test at how well you can read the bible.
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but they can hardly be accused of coersion /force
In the end, this is just another nonsensical post on your behalf, and you are making catholics look even more mentally impaired every day.
@truthsetsfree. You seem to be searching for an excuse for the atrocities committed in France against the Cathars. Let me see if I understand you correctly. You believe that if a person will not recant their belief in reincarnation then they should be tortured as a test and if they still will not recant then they should be put to death along with all family members and their property should be confiscated. Do I understand your position correctly?
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April 20th, 2012, 11:43 AM
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@truthsetsfree. You seem to be searching for an excuse for the atrocities committed in France against the Cathars. Let me see if I understand you correctly. You believe that if a person will not recant their belief in reincarnation then they should be tortured as a test and if they still will not recant then they should be put to death along with all family members and their property should be confiscated. Do I understand your position correctly?
Did u read the whole OP??
apparnetly not
it was kings and queens who executed heretics. The Church didnt execute anyone
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April 20th, 2012, 11:46 AM
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You know what the Bible teaches the actual church in Acts did for heretics, they threw them out of the church.
You know what didn't happen in the NT church, anybody tortured, killed, imprisoned, or beaten because they disagreed with Peter or any of the other church leaders.
Now does the Inquisition mean that all those who are Roman Catholic are unsaved or that Catholicism is inherently wrong,? No it does not.
At the very least Catholics should acknowledge that the Church is not to encourage or endorse any act of violence against those who teach false doctrine or those who practice other religions.
why do antiCatholics get on these forums and blast Catholics...
and conveniently forget stories like St Thomas MOre... John Fisher... and etc... i could go on all day
The movie A Man For All Seasons was somewhat inaccurate here & there but for the most part is a good movie about St Thomas More... Still, one should read his books, not just go by the movie... He was a devout Christian who DIED for his faith in Christ... died for what he believed (knew). He died a Catholic... died because he would not agree that King H the VIII had the right to overrule the Church... he died at the hands of cruel, barbarous, lying corrupt NONCatholics who let the king run amok... But St Thomas stood against the king even when it meant death...
But you antiCahtolics...
no, you never seem to think about that... or even seem to KNOW about it a lot of the time...
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April 20th, 2012, 11:48 AM
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it stands to reason that if Christ established ONE Church, to believe something that Church does not teach is heresy
It stands to reason that if Christ did not establish the Roman Catholic sect to be the united assembly He established, then a lot of what that Roman Catholic sect will teach will be heresy.
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April 20th, 2012, 11:56 AM
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It stands to reason that if Christ did not establish the Roman Catholic sect to be the united assembly He established, then a lot of what that Roman Catholic sect will teach will be heresy.
It stands to reason that if Christ did not establish the Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian... sects to be the united assembly He established, then a lot of what those sects will teach will be heresy
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April 20th, 2012, 12:08 PM
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It stands to reason that if Christ did not establish the Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian... sects to be the united assembly He established, then a lot of what those sects will teach will be heresy
Not at all. Those denominations are not claiming to be the ONLY Church that Christ established and none of them are trying to claim to be the ONLY authority on acceptable Christian beliefs.
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April 20th, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Not at all. Those denominations are not claiming to be the ONLY Church that Christ established and none of them are trying to claim to be the ONLY authority on acceptable Christian beliefs.
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April 21st, 2012, 10:00 AM
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Did u read the whole OP??
apparnetly not
it was kings and queens who executed heretics. The Church didnt execute anyone
The kings and queens you speak of only did what the "pope" ordered them to do.
The RCC where Jesus and His words have been marginalized , His teachings replaced with Traditions of men, His gospel changed, His rightful worship given to a goddess , and His ministry of the Holy Spirit supplanted by a sinful man called pope.
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April 22nd, 2012, 01:43 PM
I just had to pick my eyeballs up off the floor after reading the OP. Dude, that is some farked up stuff you have going on in your head.
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