[Rusha]

Originally Posted by serpentdove

Looking tense but focused, Breivik spoke calmly about the shooting rampage, beginning with the moment he took a small ferry to Utoya, an island in a lake outside Oslo. He was disguised as a policeman, carrying a rifle and a handgun. He also brought drinking water because he knew he would get a dry throat from the stress of killing people.
.." Full text: Court in shock as Norway gunman describes massacre

He can get 21 years. Is that justice? Nu 35:31

No, it is not. The only form of justice for this type of criminal is the death penalty.

[zoo22]

Originally Posted by Rusha

No, it is not. The only form of justice for this type of criminal is the death penalty.

Love and respect you, Rusha, but no, it's not.

[The Barbarian]

Thanks for the article. It would be nice if you attached documentation in the future, backing your statements.

Challenge what you want. But remember this one.

Yes, unChristian acts have been done by people in the US.

And unMuslim acts have been done by people elsewhere. Neither Christianity nor Islam calls for mutilation of women.

And I notice you're unwilling to call Breivik's act "extreme."

You accusing me of condoning murder

I did? (Barbarian checks) No, turns out that I didn't. But I'm sure everyone is wondering why you aren't willing to say what Breivik did was "extreme."

because I acknowledge that multiculturalism is a deadly disease

Hitler thought so. He said the "mongrel American nation" would fall easily to his Nordic supermen. Surprise.

is the same as me accusing you of condoning murder because a guy murders his adulterous wife, and you happen to be against adultery

I'm quite willing to say that murdering people for adultery is wrong and extreme. I'm wondering why you aren't willing to say that about murdering people for tolerating other cultures.

(based on your relative views of human sexuality, who knows where you stand on that issue).

I think the Church is right about sexuality. If you want to call that "relative," then it's consistent with your behavior in other things.

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

And unMuslim acts have been done by people elsewhere. Neither Christianity nor Islam calls for mutilation of women.

Ah yes, the old "All religions are equal" lie.

The topic is now Islam vs Christianity.

I've shown the rape epidemic in Norway by Muslims (yet you failed to address it), let's talk about the view of women in Islam vs that of Christianity, which will explain why women are raped, murdered and brutalized all over the world by people who follow the false religion of Islam.

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
And unMuslim acts have been done by people elsewhere. Neither Christianity nor Islam calls for mutilation of women.

(ASC tries a bunny trail)

Ah yes, the old "All religions are equal" lie.

Sorry. That's not what we're talking about. The fact that both Christians and Muslims have sometimes engaged in mutilation of women for sexual reasons, is not the same thing as them being equal.

The topic is now Islam vs Christianity.

I've shown the rape epidemic in Norway by Muslims (yet you failed to address it)

And the rape epidemic in urban South Africa is then by Christians, since the majority there claims to be Christian?

let's talk about the view of women in Islam vs that of Christianity

See above. There isn't one view in either case. Do you identify with the Christians who thought genital mutilation of women was a good idea? Are you claiming all Muslims think this is a good thing?

which will explain why women are raped, murdered and brutalized all over the world by people who follow the false religion of Islam.

I had no idea rape and brutalization of women was only happening where there are Muslims. Show me that. Or even show that most Muslim men rape and brutalize women.

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

I had no idea rape and brutalization of women was only happening where there are Muslims. Show me that. Or even show that most Muslim men rape and brutalize women.

Who said "only" and "most"? Tis time to educate Barbarian (again).

From the ultra liberal Time Magazine:

"Our cover image this week is powerful, shocking and disturbing. It is a portrait of Aisha, a shy 18-year-old Afghan woman who was sentenced by a Taliban commander to have her nose and ears cut off for fleeing her abusive in-laws."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...007415,00.html

"Strictly, the topic of treatment of women in Islam, in itself, is massive. Please read other essays on this issue. Many such callous treatments are based upon superstitions, archaic, and barbaric traditions. They are nothing but ‘voodoos’ in a modern society.

In Islam, a woman is truly problematic. From the moment of her birth until her death she endures much more Islamic tyranny than a male Muslim. All these Islamic torment is inflicted on her just because of her sex and biology. When we pursue this episode, we will understand why the Islamists encapsulate a woman with so much of ‘voddoo’ burden, and why it is just impossible to reform Islam, vis-à-vis women."
http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem...os/Part15a.htm

[woopah]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

"It is the Godless structures of man that are dangerous."

Can you give me a specific explanation as to why a catholic executing hundreads of people doesn't count as a Christian massacre?

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian suggests:
I had no idea rape and brutalization of women was only happening where there are Muslims. Show me that. Or even show that most Muslim men rape and brutalize women.

Who said "only" and "most"?

I guess the counter-examples made an impression on you, um?

Tis time to educate Barbarian (again).

From the ultra liberal Time Magazine:

"Our cover image this week is powerful, shocking and disturbing.

And...

Whether or not the case goes to trial, it is still set to blow the lid on what has come to be regarded as the American military's dirty little secret. Last year 3,158 sexual crimes were reported within the US military. Of those cases, only 529 reached a court room, and only 104 convictions were made, according to a 2010 report from SAPRO (sexual assault prevention and response office, a division of the department of defence). But these figures are only a fraction of the reality. Sexual assaults are notoriously under-reported. The same report estimated that there were a further 19,000 unreported cases of sexual assault last year. The department of veterans affairs, meanwhile, released an independent study estimating that one in three women had experience of military sexual trauma while on active service. That is double the rate for civilians, which is one in six, according to the US department of justice.

"For years, I thought I was the only person this had happened to, but it's an epidemic," says Weber, 36, who recounts being raped 16 years ago in Germany, and describes herself as a "high-functioning" sufferer of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as a result.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...pe-us-military

Who'd have thought there'd be so many Muslims in the military?

In Islam, a woman is truly problematic. From the moment of her birth until her death she endures much more Islamic tyranny than a male Muslim.

Maybe they can join the U.S. military. The issue is, you hate Muslims, so you've projected all of the rapes on them. But as you see, Muslims who do it, are just doing what men of other faiths do.

Maybe you can make the argument that backward people do more rape, and of course, in our century, there are more backward Muslims than backward Christians.

But that wasn't always so, either.