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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gurucam
In Romans 11:6 and Titus 3:5, "works" refer to All standards for righteousness and salvation, except, being led into one's works by the Spirit.
You are making completing one's works that they are led into by the Spirit, a requirement for salvation. The Bible says no such thing.
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The Ten Commandments was righteousness of God under works. One's works had to be a certain way , then one is in righteousness.
The new order require no such self determination. One is not left to decide one's own works under regulation by any thing. The Spirit of Jesus decides one's works. And one simply obeys. Under this new order, righteousness is not linked to works or quality of works. Righteousness is directly linked to obedience.
Righteousness is a good thing to attain to, but even if it is by obedience (which was possible under the law I might add) it does not merit salvation. There is no amount of good works of obedience that one can do to make up for their sin debt to God.
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Once one is led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's one's own heart or spirit, in real time all the time one is in righteousness with God, even if one has to transgress the Ten Commandments or any other religious, social or moral laws.
There is only one God, and we are to worship and serve Him only.
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In this manner, for the same physical act, one who is under the law is judged differently from one who is led by the Spirit.
What you are failing to see is that being led by the Spirit is not how a person becomes, as you call it, "saved and delivered". The only way to be saved is by the work of Jesus Christ.
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Two married persons may both go with other persons who are not their spouse. For this act the one under the law will get sin where as, the one under the Spirit (i.e. the one under grace) will not get sin, but will be glorified by God.
Adultery is a sin. We don't need the law to know that. Jesus showed us that adultery is sin.
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The one under the law is led by his own self determination. The one under the Spirit is led by the determination of the Spirit. The Lord is now this Spirit (of Jesus) and where the Spirit (of Jesus) is there is liberty [b](re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17)
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gurucam
What good is ministry if it does not bring one salvation? It is no more than the law giving and the law enforcement system of a country.
Plenty is wrong with the law. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law (re. Galatians: 3 verse: 13).
No righteousness with God is possible under the law. (re. Romans: 3 verse: 23). What else matters? Indeed what else matters to a ministry of God? A ministry (that is according to the law) which does not bring one salvation is simply a governmental ministry of any country, for example the ministry of the police and law enforcement of a country.
This is the fact about the Ten Commandments: if there was a law given that could give life, righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. Not even the Ten Commandment giveth life [color="Green"](re. Galatians: 3 verses: 21 & 22).
Most who are called Christians do not know Jesus and are not known to Jesus.
Now the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus which one must discern with one's own heart (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).
Most who are called Christians are esteeming the Ten Commandments, canons and other social, religious and moral laws. They are under laws and not under grace and being in Christ is not for them. (re. Galatians: 5 verses: 1 to 4). They are not led by the Spirit of Jesus. They do not know Jesus in the Spirit (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17) They do not know Jesus and Jesus is not known to them.
I am here to tell these unfortunate people, how to be Christian (i.e. authentic ones). I am here to tell them how to be on the right side of God and Jesus.
These replies are for aspiring Christians and Christians.
It is important to be under the grace of God.
It is also true that we should not depend on our emotions and call them the Spirit of God.
And, it is true that salvation does come by Jesus, and not by our obedient works or obedience, even if we claim we are being led by the Spirit.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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April 30th, 2012, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
It is important to be under the grace of God.
It is also true that we should not depend on our emotions and call them the Spirit of God.
And, it is true that salvation does come by Jesus, and not by our obedient works or obedience, even if we claim we are being led by the Spirit.
It is also true that one must drop the law, i.e. all laws, in order to be under grace of God and the be in Christ. This is clearly confirmed in Galatians: 5 verses: 1 to 4.
If you are under the law you are under the law and you must uphold all the laws to the letter for your righteousness. Apart from this being an impossible task. If this is your choice, you are not under grace and being in Christ is not for you.
Additionally Jesus through Paul has confirmed unequivocally that, if there was a law given that could give life righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. Not even the Ten Commandments giveth life.
When one hold on to the slightest aspect of the law, one has to uphold all of them to the letter and still get death (spiritual death) .
Now righteousness of God without the law is manifested. This is to save humans for the curse of the law and all other laws. Those who refuse to embrace righteousness of God that is without the law, do so at their own peril.
The offer is on the table. Do not expect Jesus to return again to repeat Himself.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gurucam
It is also true that one must drop the law, i.e. all laws, in order to be under grace of God and the be in Christ. This is clearly confirmed in Galatians: 5 verses: 1 to 4.
If you are under the law you are under the law and you must uphold all the laws to the letter for your righteousness. Apart from this being an impossible task.
Regarding the Law of Moses, God said it was not too difficult for them to do. I believe what God said.
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If this is your choice, you are not under grace and being in Christ is not for you.
Additionally Jesus through Paul has confirmed unequivocally that, if there was a law given that could give life righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. Not even the Ten Commandments giveth life.
And yet the law of God is life to us.
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When one hold on to the slightest aspect of the law, one has to uphold all of them to the letter and still get death (spiritual death) .
Not true. You need to read more of the Bible.
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Now righteousness of God without the law is manifested. This is to save humans for the curse of the law and all other laws. Those who refuse to embrace righteousness of God that is without the law, do so at their own peril.
You are making another law, which is why I am disagreeing with this "revelation" you have had. It is really just a wrong interpretation of what you have read. Either you are really close to understanding, or you are very far away. But I am certain you do not have it right. You keep coming back to your pet ideas, habitually, instead of speaking truth from the scriptures. You reference scriptures, but you use them to support your own ideas of what the scriptures say, so that you can be free of the law and still justify yourself and make yourself chosen by your own efforts.
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The offer is on the table. Do not expect Jesus to return again to repeat Himself.
Jesus is going to return. But some say He will return in judgment. The question comes from reading the Bible. If we believe He won't return, then if that is true it is impossible that He would return in judgment. One thing I know, it says He will return (one translation) "without reference to sin". This is as the text says, "the second time".
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Now righteousness of God without the law is manifested. This is to save humans for the curse of the law and all other laws. Those who refuse to embrace righteousness of God that is without the law, do so at their own peril.
You are making another law, which is why I am disagreeing with this "revelation" you have had. It is really just a wrong interpretation of what you have read. Either you are really close to understanding, or you are very far away. But I am certain you do not have it right. You keep coming back to your pet ideas, habitually, instead of speaking truth from the scriptures. You reference scriptures, but you use them to support your own ideas of what the scriptures say, so that you can be free of the law and still justify yourself and make yourself chosen by your own efforts.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
Read it again. No law is not another law.
Another gospel is really not the gospel.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
He's not teaching another gospel.
Galatians 3:2 3 5
Who is the "he's" you are referring to? What do you mean by "not teaching" in italics?
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
Gurucam is teaching the gospel.
Romans 8:14 KJV
Gurucam believes everyone has the Holy Spirit since conception, I believe.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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April 30th, 2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
I don't see how that's relevant to the Gospel or to Romans 8:14 KJV.
John 20:22 2 Corinthians 5:7
Me neither.
Or how about this, people who are believers can leave their spouses and produce children of God together. Or, maybe it is more to what he has said that it is urgings of the Holy Spirit that brings believers to produce children that are truely...
whatever it was he said. I didn't understand and maybe he was speaking of someone else... which in that case I would need to be careful that this isn't slander. But I don't trust someone who says, there is another law... the law of the Spirit... and if you don't obey the Spirit to transgress the commands of Moses you will not be saved.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Or how about this, people who are believers can leave their spouses and produce children of God together. Or, maybe it is more to what he has said that it is urgings of the Holy Spirit that brings believers to produce children that are truely...
whatever it was he said. I didn't understand and maybe he was speaking of someone else... which in that case I would need to be careful that this isn't slander. But I don't trust someone who says, there is another law... the law of the Spirit... and if you don't obey the Spirit to transgress the commands of Moses you will not be saved.
It's lawful to obey the law, but it's not always helpful or edifying, and it frequently brings you under its power.
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