[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

You called me a heathen?

Well let's put it this way, if you did it is better for you that I didn't see it

I tried to locate it and was unsuccessful. I did however, see a lot of posts that have gone un-replied to that makes we wondr why post anything.

Anyway, I will cut to the chase with this: you seem to be a signs and wonders man before anything else; and over enthusiasm for them than what the real purposes of God for man really is; demanding evidence from folk as proof of God in their lives. That is what the heathen want to see as opposed to the truth of all things Christ. Now, I don't believe you are a heathen and we don't have to go there however, I sense something is not right.

Maybe you would like to address that observation in a sincere way?

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

I tried to locate it and was unsuccessful. I did however, see a lot of posts that have gone un-replied to that makes we wondr why post anything.

Anyway, I will cut to the chase with this: you seem to be a signs and wonders man before anything else; and over enthusiasm for them than what the real purposes of God for man really is; demanding evidence from folk as proof of God in their lives. That is what the heathen want to see as opposed to the truth of all things Christ. Now, I don't believe you are a heathen and we don't have to go there however, I sense something is not right.

Maybe you would like to address that observation in a sincere way?

And you are the one who called Saul to be righteous while he was condoning the death of Christians.

You should be ashamed

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

And you are the one who called Saul to be righteous while he was condoning the death of Christians.

You should be ashamed

Not in the least. That is not to say he wasn't wrong, like you are, but he didn't realize his error until Christ appeared to him. A sign and wonder thing, I suppose. Then he repented but had to live with his 'spiritual' indiscretion the rest of his life. Why do you suppose he wrote the way he did if he hadn't been rectified in his thinking. So I repeat, He was a righteous man that God chose him for his purposes, as he always chooses a righteous person for His purposes.

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

Not in the least. That is not to say he wasn't wrong, like you are, but he didn't realize his error until Christ appeared to him. A sign and wonder thing, I suppose. Then he repented but had to live with his 'spiritual' indiscretion the rest of his life. Why do you suppose he wrote the way he did if he hadn't been rectified in his thinking. So I repeat, He was a righteous man that God chose him for his purposes, as he always chooses a righteous person for His purposes.

Wrong about what CR

How about finding fault with me with scripture instead of just running your mouth off with false accusations

Do you know the penalty for making false accusations

[Lazy afternoon]

Hi,

I only went back three pages but one thing is evident.

There are two anointings, not one.

It is because of the believers abiding in the first anointing (permanent )that the second is granted (not permanent)

Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

LA

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon

Hi,

I only went back three pages but one thing is evident.

There are two anointings, not one.
LA

Amen on two anointings

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


The Pentecostal anointing of the Holy Spirit is a blessing but by itself is not sufficent to tabernacle with Jesus

First the heart must be cleansed and prepared to be the place where father and son may be together

it is not just new wine but new wineskins as well

Blessings

Doug

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

Not in the least. That is not to say he wasn't wrong, like you are, but he didn't realize his error until Christ appeared to him. A sign and wonder thing, I suppose. Then he repented but had to live with his 'spiritual' indiscretion the rest of his life. Why do you suppose he wrote the way he did if he hadn't been rectified in his thinking. So I repeat, He was a righteous man that God chose him for his purposes, as he always chooses a righteous person for His purposes.

Paul was not sent until he proved to be faithful--

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


LA

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon

Paul was not sent until he proved to be faithful--

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


LA

And how was he proved faithful that we can point to?

Based upon his testimony, he was always a faithful servant to whatever master was over him and I don't believe he would have anyone over him who was not righteous as he saw righteousness at that time in his life.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Amen on two anointings

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


The Pentecostal anointing of the Holy Spirit is a blessing but by itself is not sufficent to tabernacle with Jesus

First the heart must be cleansed and prepared to be the place where father and son may be together

it is not just new wine but new wineskins as well

Blessings

Doug

Yes, it only begins at conversion but many turn away to their own religion.

It would be as if Paul had turned back to his former life of Phariseeism thinking that God was blessing his former life and making it rich with the spirit.

Many churchmen do that today when they get saved.

Paul did not do that, (except for one mistake)

Phil. ch 3.

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

LA

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

And how was he proved faithful that we can point to?

Based upon his testimony, he was always a faithful servant to whatever master was over him and I don't believe he would have anyone over him who was not righteous as he saw righteousness at that time in his life.

Paul himself said there were none righteous, no not one. The only righteousness anyone has is if Christ is in them and Paul certainly did not have Christ and him before hands were laid on him.

Only then did Paul become a servant for God and start to preach the faith and truth of the gospel.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

And how was he proved faithful that we can point to?

Based upon his testimony, he was always a faithful servant to whatever master was over him and I don't believe he would have anyone over him who was not righteous as he saw righteousness at that time in his life.

1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
Gal 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.

Gal 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.



Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.

I am missing something. You can sort it out.

LA

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon

1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
Gal 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.

Gal 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.



Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.

I am missing something. You can sort it out.

LA

But why would you make an issue out of Paul's faithfulness? I already said that he was a faithful righteous man, before Christ appeared to him. I don't understand.

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Paul himself said there were none righteous, no not one. The only righteousness anyone has is if Christ is in them and Paul certainly did not have Christ and him before hands were laid on him.

Only then did Paul become a servant for God and start to preach the faith and truth of the gospel.

"Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief." 1Ti 1:13

Learn. Put what Paul said in context. First he was quote David and God, both of whom were referring to the Jews in rebellion. They was speaking of the wickedness of man which falls in the category of unrighteousness that Paul was quoting.. Don't believe that? Then declare every righteous person in the OT including Mary, Joseph of old, David, Noah in the wicked column, OK? Were they not all called righteous by God? Did they not all call upon Him at one or another? Were not all, highly favored by Him? Did not men in Genesis call upon the Name of the Lord?

Now what were you saying about Paul's declaration of ALL men being wicked?

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

"Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief." 1Ti 1:13

Learn. Put what Paul said in context. First he was quote David and God, both of whom were referring to the Jews in rebellion. They was speaking of the wickedness of man which falls in the category of unrighteousness that Paul was quoting.. Don't believe that? Then declare every righteous person in the OT including Mary, Joseph of old, David, Noah in the wicked column, OK? Were they not all called righteous by God? Did they not all call upon Him at one or another? Were not all, highly favored by Him? Did not men in Genesis call upon the Name of the Lord?

Now what were you saying about Paul's declaration of ALL men being wicked?

Jeremiah speaking for God is the one who said the hearts of men are wicked.

Paul said there were no men righteous no not one.

Do you need Scriptures for those?

Meanwhile you are comparing apples to oranges when talking about how Paul lived before Christ came into him

What Paul is distinguishing between are sins that are done before we come to Christ (not being held accountable for them) versus Christians who continue in sin who will receive the greater damnation.

Without the Holy Spirit the best any person can be (including those in the Bible) is to be as Able was before he was slain by his brother Cain (unABLE to defeat evil) that even though he was called righteous his blood still cried out from the ground.(because he was earthly) On the other hand we have been born of a better blood from heaven that is holy and without sin.

Therefore we are to be able to overcome sin and become like Jesus in heaven is holy and without sin. Do you need scripture proving that Jesus is waiting for and expecting us to show up holy without sin?

Paul agrees with Jesus who spoke about those who did not believe being condemned already because they were condemned to living in sin (none righteous) . On the other hand those who believe in Jesus have been given a way to overcome sin and if they do not then they are as Paul said “a dog returns to his vomit”.

Until Christians overcome sin they have not been saved from anything........... suggest you dwell on that!!

Meanwhile the Spirit of Christ is the spirit of prophecy and if that was the spirit ruling your heart I would not have to tell you these things

Doug

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

But why would you make an issue out of Paul's faithfulness? I already said that he was a faithful righteous man, before Christ appeared to him. I don't understand.

Ok.

Paul was faithful to the Jews religion before He was approached by Christ, but that religion was killing Christians, so Paul could not have been righteous in Gods sight in his following his religion.

have a read of Phil. ch 3. and see what you think about it.

LA

and I must add that there was a diffence between the religion of the Jews and the keeping of the commandments of God by Mary and Joseph.

Much like how the religious mighty ones of today, think they will be great in Gods sight, when all the little people who do as Jesus asks of them as He spoke to do, will enter the Kingdom of God before them and many of those mighty in their own eyes will not enter at all ever.