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Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 28th, 2012, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by oatmeal
Well, then, you should looking at it as if God included the ability to manifest all nine.
Because He did.
He did not leave you out.
You have the same ability to manifest all the benefits of the gift of holy spirit that the apostle Paul did.
You may need to learn more scripture to see this more clearly, but you are as enabled as the apostle Paul.
God is not a respector of persons.
He gave it all to all believers.
God is love.
oatmeal
It is God that does the manifesting, not me. Let Him do it, if it is His choice to manifest the gift of tongues in me. I will not strive to manifest it myself.
I never claimed that He couldn't, or wouldn't. My claim is that if He wants to, He will.
It is not up to me. The reason you 'get' the false forms of tongues is due to the fact that 'some' are doing that very thing.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 28th, 2012, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Livelystone
There is a lot we are responsible but the bringing forth the fruit of God is something you cannot do. You cannot tell God how or when to do anything and he is the only one who can work miracles.
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?.
When God hears prayers said in faith and in truth, it is normal for him to act on behalf of the person making the prayer. However faith is what we believe to be the truth, and if someone is not believing in the truth it does not matter how much they think God is going to answer their prayer.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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May 28th, 2012, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
Ok.
Paul was faithful to the Jews religion before He was approached by Christ, but that religion was killing Christians, so Paul could not have been righteous in Gods sight in his following his religion.
have a read of Phil. ch 3. and see what you think about it.
LA
and I must add that there was a diffence between the religion of the Jews and the keeping of the commandments of God by Mary and Joseph.
Much like how the religious mighty ones of today, think they will be great in Gods sight, when all the little people who do as Jesus asks of them as He spoke to do, will enter the Kingdom of God before them and many of those mighty in their own eyes will not enter at all ever.
LA,
Kind of getting in the end of this discussion, so I do not know all that has transpired.
Was Paul doing his best according to what he understood from the OT when he was persecuting Christians?
I believe he was, just like I believe that trins are doing their best according to what the know.
However, in Saul/Paul's case, he got to the point that he began to understand that the OT was pointing at Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
When Jesus Christ appeared to him, that is what concluded the matter for him.
Paul admits that what he did was due to his ignorance, not of scripture themselves, but of the implications of scripture, the understanding of scripture's fulfillment in Jesus Christ.
Once he was actually able to connect the dots, he saw that although his heart was to do the will of God, how he chose to carry out God's will was way off.
Paul was faithful to his understanding of scripture, but his understanding of scripture was erroneous.
Just like trins today, past, present and future.
I believe trins are sincere and devoted, but they are in error.
If their devotion could be based on rightly divided scripture...
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Kind of getting in the end of this discussion, so I do not know all that has transpired.
Was Paul doing his best according to what he understood from the OT when he was persecuting Christians?
I believe he was, just like I believe that trins are doing their best according to what the know.
However, in Saul/Paul's case, he got to the point that he began to understand that the OT was pointing at Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
When Jesus Christ appeared to him, that is what concluded the matter for him.
Paul admits that what he did was due to his ignorance, not of scripture themselves, but of the implications of scripture, the understanding of scripture's fulfillment in Jesus Christ.
Once he was actually able to connect the dots, he saw that although his heart was to do the will of God, how he chose to carry out God's will was way off.
Paul was faithful to his understanding of scripture, but his understanding of scripture was erroneous.
Just like trins today, past, present and future.
I believe trins are sincere and devoted, but they are in error.
If their devotion could be based on rightly divided scripture...
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