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Yeah I know all about mega churches and Christian media, some real crud in there.
I just know an awful lot more 'good' Charismatics, sound doctrine, good behavoir, modest and sober when it come finances.
Maybe its a geography thing ?
If they are godly Christians why the world do not notice? No one can hide the light, friend. Jesus is the light.
I am pointing out to mainstream churches because they are not shining with Jesus.
That's why I started how they are ignoring His teachings and commandments.
And guess what, they are panicking because I wont let them hide the whole truth about His teachings. They dont even know Jesus' teachings exist. That's how bad they are.
"I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."
Mark 16:17
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"
I Corinthians 14:18
"I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:"
1. So what's holding you back?
and
2. what are you going to do about it?
oatmeal
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I wasn't going to enter into this thread and post, but I was just wondering what the point of this thread is.
.....O LORD my God, in You I put my trust. Psalm 7:1
.....To You, O LORD, I lift up my soul. Psalm 25:1
Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around. ~ Leo Buscaglia
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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April 21st, 2012, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by steko
The immediate context is 'the body of Christ/church', not the congregational meeting:
1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
True
It speaks of what is the best gift for a particular situation.
I Corinthians 12:31
What is the best gift for a particular situation or challenge or goal
Maybe the ministry of an apostle is the best gift for situation "A"
Maybe helps and governments is the best for situation "B".
Maybe speaking in tongues is the best for situation "C".
What is best?
Whatever is best we are to covet it, but even if we covet the best gift, we have a better option than coveting. It is given in I Corinthians 13, love.
God teaches us that love is the best motivation for the work of an apostle, love is the best motivation for helps and governments, love is the best motivation for speaking in tongues.
Now that we have apostles and prophets and helps and governments and speaking in tongues motivated by love, now we straighten out the conduct when the believers are together.
So, in a meeting not all function as apostles, not all function as prophets, not all speak in tongues in the meeting. But that does not mean that all do not speak in tongues in their private prayer life.
"I would that YE ALL speak with tongues"
Not just a few. But ALL.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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April 21st, 2012, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SeraphimsCherub
i pray in tongues to GOD in private;but i don't go about seeking to be seen of people so that i can show them how "spiritual" of a chap i am. I believe it's much more pleasing to GOD when HIS people visit the fatherless,and widows in their distress,hold the door for someone,offer someone a friendly smile every now and again. LOVING others is really the only RELIGION GOD is concerned with.
Well said and scriptural.
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Well, I looked for a thread I could discuss something else with you about congenially. I think we can here though I am going to disagree.
The last time I heard a pastor do this in public, I wrote down phonetically everything he said to identify it. I did get "Shouldibuyahonda" and "agape-kay shay-kay-ray" but have yet to find the language, heavenly (I'm doubtful) or otherwise (equally doubtful).
I'm a cessationalist. Not so staunch that I would throw you out of my house, but enough to politely disagree. Today I have friends who do this and I don't question their spirituality but whether they are being emotional or not. There are benefits, I would suppose, for hugging trees though you'll never find me doing it.
It does seem to me, that Paul says something about tongues in the vein you take it to mean so no, I won't be staunch on this but I think, it is something needed for the first church and do not currently see a need for it today. The Spirit groans for us, in us. It doesn't seem a special language is going to do better than that to me.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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oatmeal, in all seriousness - if in fact you're anti-Trinitarian, and the Holy Spirit of God has not persuaded you in your heart, from Scripture, that Christ is in fact God, second "Person" of the Trinity, I assert... any tongue or word you proclaim is from God, is in fact from another source altogether, and not the Spirit of God for the benefit of God's people.
I would also assert that it profit a man none to move forward with any other matters pertaining to the work of God with anyone who denies such a fundamental belief that Christ is Lord and King, the God-man redeemer.
In your words Christ is little more than a super-man, if he is only man and no God, he is sinful, corrupt! Why did God use a sinful and corrupt man on the cross to die for other sinful and corrupt men?
One has to be seriously Pinheaded & newsless to Espouse & affirm OT Nonsensical tommyrot!
There is no biblical evidence that 'when perfection comes' means when the scripture were complete.
When all the revelation is complete, which included the unique gospel given to Paul alone.
Colossians 1:24-28
“I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
It is possible this is Acts 28.
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No he doesn't, she says the exact opposite in vrs 4.
No, I showed you verse 4. When you use it as you are to use it, it is good. It is a sign to unbelievers, that is good. Otherwise it is but a clanging symbal.
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In this instance God is talking about tongues used front and centre in a Church meeting environment
No, he does not say that. You are adding what isn't there. After all his talk about tongues he says, therefore, tongues are sign to unbelievers. Just like in the upper room.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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April 22nd, 2012, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Lon
Well, I looked for a thread I could discuss something else with you about congenially. I think we can here though I am going to disagree.
The last time I heard a pastor do this in public, I wrote down phonetically everything he said to identify it. I did get "Shouldibuyahonda" and "agape-kay shay-kay-ray" but have yet to find the language, heavenly (I'm doubtful) or otherwise (equally doubtful).
I'm a cessationalist. Not so staunch that I would throw you out of my house, but enough to politely disagree. Today I have friends who do this and I don't question their spirituality but whether they are being emotional or not. There are benefits, I would suppose, for hugging trees though you'll never find me doing it.
It does seem to me, that Paul says something about tongues in the vein you take it to mean so no, I won't be staunch on this but I think, it is something needed for the first church and do not currently see a need for it today. The Spirit groans for us, in us. It doesn't seem a special language is going to do better than that to me.
-Lon
Lon,
Have you wondered why the first century church was so powerful?
and Christians today are so spiritually anemic?
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
Reputation:
April 22nd, 2012, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by All12Cylinders
oatmeal, in all seriousness - if in fact you're anti-Trinitarian, and the Holy Spirit of God has not persuaded you in your heart, from Scripture, that Christ is in fact God, second "Person" of the Trinity, I assert... any tongue or word you proclaim is from God, is in fact from another source altogether, and not the Spirit of God for the benefit of God's people.
I would also assert that it profit a man none to move forward with any other matters pertaining to the work of God with anyone who denies such a fundamental belief that Christ is Lord and King, the God-man redeemer.
In your words Christ is little more than a super-man, if he is only man and no God, he is sinful, corrupt! Why did God use a sinful and corrupt man on the cross to die for other sinful and corrupt men?
All 12 cylinders,
So your answers to the two questions in the opening post are????
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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