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I get you to listen on occassion, but no, don't confuse sincerity with doubt. I listen so that I can explain. The triune position is back several steps from your conclusions. Trinitarian is a theology that sees God's revelation of His nature as a rough draft. Only God can write the final draft for clarity.
I see you and others as trying to write God's paper for Him. There is no way that will ever be acceptable to me.
I do not add or subtract from the Bible Lon. I just see things from a different view point. I think the Trinity is a dishonest evaluation of scripture. Early Christians did not mention a Trinity. That seemed to creep in about the second century from Egypt.
But we can agree to disagree and still post our views. Hopefully I won't get carried away again.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I get you to listen on occassion, but no, don't confuse sincerity with doubt. I listen so that I can explain. The triune position is back several steps from your conclusions. Trinitarian is a theology that sees God's revelation of His nature as a rough draft. Only God can write the final draft for clarity.
I see you and others as trying to write God's paper for Him. There is no way that will ever be acceptable to me.
Let me ask you one question:
Does Jesus have a God?
Yes or No will do.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
May 3rd, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Let me ask you one question:
Does Jesus have a God? Yes or No will do.
Yes or No will not suffice.
Jesus in His incarnation had a father, Joseph. In His Deity He did not have a father. The Holy Spirit caused Jesus' incarnation to happen. Read it! It's in the Bible. I believe what the Bible says.
Talking about His Deity:
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
May 3rd, 2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Where does it say who the I AM is in this verse? Your assuming. That it relates to God. He could have been saying I AM HE, the son of God, the Christ that was to come.
Who's speaking said I AM of himself.
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Jesus did not create the world, it was the spirit IN him that did that. Jesus was created in Mary, the spirit was with God in creation. The book says that everything was created THROUGH That spirit.
For someone who says I do not add or subtract from the Bible Lon, I, lifeisgood, am beginning to think otherwise.
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Jesus came in the flesh, God did not. He sent his son. His son was a man, hence flesh. Men can die, God cannot. To be the Lamb of God he had to be able to die. God was IN him friend.
Yes, so that when we see Jesus, we see the Father.
Talking about His Deity:
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
May 3rd, 2012, 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
Jesus did not create the world, it was the spirit IN him that did that.
Can we hear the slithering spirit BEHIND this comment?
Just like when Jesus talked through Peter to the spirit behind Peter.
Just like the spirit behind this comment.
Just like in the Garden of Eden, “Has God said?”
Can you hear the spirit behind the words? Can you hear it?
Last edited by lifeisgood; May 3rd, 2012 at 04:54 PM.
Jesus in His incarnation had a father, Joseph. In His Deity He did not have a father. The Holy Spirit caused Jesus' incarnation to happen. Read it! It's in the Bible. I believe what the Bible says.
Talking about His Deity:
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
I disagree, yes or no is suffice.
Jesus said his father is God, he says he has a God. He say that there is only one God.
THAT IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH. Listen to him.
Jesus is like God, he is the image of God, he is a form of God.
BUT HE IS NOT GOD.
He is not his father, he is the image of his father.
He said ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME BY MY FATHER. If he was God he would have had the power, no one needed to give it to him.
We have One God AND One Lord. There is only one most high friend.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Reputation:
May 3rd, 2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeisgood
Can we hear the slithering spirit BEHIND this comment?
Just like when Jesus talked through Peter to the spirit behind Peter.
Just like the spirit behind this comment.
Just like in the Garden of Eden, “Has God said?”
Can you hear the spirit behind the words? Can you hear it?
The truth is always spoken of as a lie by those who believe a lie.
Jesus life began by being born from Mary.
Jesus is Gods son by virtue of Mary being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
May 3rd, 2012, 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
I disagree, yes or no is suffice.
Jesus said his father is God, he says he has a God. He say that there is only one God.
THAT IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH. Listen to him.
Jesus is like God, he is the image of God, he is a form of God.
BUT HE IS NOT GOD.
He is not his father, he is the image of his father.
He said ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME BY MY FATHER. If he was God he would have had the power, no one needed to give it to him.
We have One God AND One Lord. There is only one most high friend.
Peace
Like I said, can we hear the slithering spirit behind this?
Like I said, can we hear the slithering spirit behind this?
Let me ask you again, you hide from the answer.
Does Jesus have a God?
YES OR NO IS ALL I NEED.
Go read your Bible and come back with the answer.
Hint, I have given you many verses to ponder over, check them out.
Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
You have created another God, wake up and hear the lord.
Jesus Speaking:
John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."
Revelation 3:2 - "for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God."
Paul:
Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."
2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."
Romans 15:6 - "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Peter:
1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
John:
Revelation 1:6 - "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I got what I expected meshak. They run from the question. They know that there is only one God and Jesus has a God. That means he is not God. They are fools, led by the nose by traditions of the RCC.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Like I said, can we hear the slithering spirit behind this?
What you hear is the roaring truth. Truth that you sweep under the rug. Jesus has a God. Hurts your theology doesn't it. It did me too, when I realized what it means. That is why I am a non trin.
I believe in his pre exsistence, but not as God. He was at the creation, the world was made THROUGH him by a higher being, HIS GOD. Open up your mind, get out of the box the church has put you in.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Reputation:
May 4th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
What you hear is the roaring truth. Truth that you sweep under the rug. Jesus has a God. Hurts your theology doesn't it. It did me too, when I realized what it means. That is why I am a non trin.
I believe in his pre exsistence, but not as God. He was at the creation, the world was made THROUGH him by a higher being, HIS GOD. Open up your mind, get out of the box the church has put you in.
Peace
Yes Keypurr,
When they call you snakes it is because they have nothing better to say.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
May 4th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
Yes Keypurr, When they call you snakes it is because they have nothing better to say.LA
I beg to disagree, Lazy afternoon, Keypurr is NOT, I repeat, NOT the snake, the spirit behind what he is saying is.
There is no blinder man than the one choosing not to see!
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