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I think it difficult to impossible to get any traction in the mud that is this subject because there should be no consensus on what the word “god” means. After all there are so many Hebrew words that are all translated with this one word in the English and you may rest assured that those words in the Hebrew being different were a part of Jehovah’s point, purpose and intent.
Not trying to affix blame here just sayin' ... the original Aborigines language has no word equivalent for "Cheeseburger" either.
Isaiah 9:6 was taken apart in this thread for just the purpose that you infer here. The word for God is quite well defined in Hebrew and translates just as written in our english Bible. Check it out for yourself: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...42&postcount=1
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April 22nd, 2012, 02:40 PM
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OK. But there can be no confusion in this phrase, "Almighty God."
Genesis 17:1
Revelation 19:15
Even an aboriginie would understand what that means.
You are skating on even thinner linguistic ice here in that you are making an association between two verses, one of which was originally spoken in and translated from the Hebrew, and another which was at best translated from the Greek into our language ... and that is if John gave it in the Greek.
It is worth looking into for those that truly wish to understand the subject. Following the term "Sons of God" across the Bible and then taking it back to the original languages is as good a place to start as any. Follow that up with the many permutations associated with the Hebrew "Jehovah" and you'll have a good start ...
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April 22nd, 2012, 02:41 PM
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"But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
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April 22nd, 2012, 02:50 PM
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Isaiah 9:6 was taken apart in this thread for just the purpose that you infer here. The word for God is quite well defined in Hebrew and translates just as written in our english Bible. Check it out for yourself: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...42&postcount=1
Well, I had a gander at your offering. I can only speak for myself self but I would not feel comfortable building (or maybe better said reverse engineering) a grammatical or escatological meaning for a phrase or a word on one passage.
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April 22nd, 2012, 02:55 PM
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John 11:25
"Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live."
John 10:18
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Acts 2:32
"This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses."
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April 22nd, 2012, 02:58 PM
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My Lord and My God.
But what if Thomas had said, "My Lord and my Savior?"
Isaiah 43
"I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior."
Hosea 13
"Yet I am the Lord your God Ever since the land of Egypt,
And you shall know no God but Me; For there is no savior besides Me."
Acts 4
"This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
John 4
"Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”
Philippians 3
"For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,"
Only God is a true savior. Jesus Christ is God in flesh appearing.
Guyver,
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Nehemiah 9:27
"Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies."
Evidently, God had sufficient management skills to delegate the work of saviours to the appropriate people.
The source of all salvation is God.
It is Jesus Christ that God made salvation available to the entire world.
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"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
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April 22nd, 2012, 03:00 PM
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You are skating on even thinner linguistic ice here in that you are making an association between two verses, one of which was originally spoken in and translated from the Hebrew, and another which was at best translated from the Greek into our language ... and that is if John gave it in the Greek.
It is worth looking into for those that truly wish to understand the subject. Following the term "Sons of God" across the Bible and then taking it back to the original languages is as good a place to start as any. Follow that up with the many permutations associated with the Hebrew "Jehovah" and you'll have a good start ...
... but just a start.
Irrespective of the language the words are written in...the meaning of Almighty God is clear.
In the same way that a rose is still a rose though spoken in another language.
English - rose
Spanish - rosa
Meaning in both languages.....a fragrant flower having thorny stems.
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"The name rose comes from French, itself from Latin rosa, which was perhaps borrowed from Oscan, from Greek ρόδον rhodon (Aeolic βρόδον wrodon), related to Old Persian wrd-, Avestan varəda, Sogdian ward, Parthian wâr, Armenian vard.[2][3]"
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April 22nd, 2012, 03:06 PM
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Irrespective of the language the words are written in...the meaning of Almighty God is clear.
In the same way that a rose is still a rose though spoken in another language.
English - rose
Spanish - rosa
Meaning in both languages.....a fragrant flower having thorny stems.
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"The name rose comes from French, itself from Latin rosa, which was perhaps borrowed from Oscan, from Greek ρόδον rhodon (Aeolic βρόδον wrodon), related to Old Persian wrd-, Avestan varəda, Sogdian ward, Parthian wâr, Armenian vard.[2][3]"
I thought we were discussing the meanings of the word "god". Why not try "elohiym" for starters? Who all get's hit with this tag in the Bible?
So you dont believe obeying Jesus' teachings and commandments are not requirement for salvation?
I believe in keeping his commandments but not for salvation. We cannot earn salvation. If we love God we will keep his commandments out of love, not because it will save us. Respecting God is to do his will. At one time I did agree with your view meshak. But it is much more meaningfull to God if we do them because we love him enough to do them. It's important to the creator to do them, that is good enough for me friend. But God does not put a price tag on salvation, all he asks is love and worship.
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Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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April 22nd, 2012, 05:45 PM
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I thought we were discussing the meanings of the word "god". Why not try "elohiym" for starters? Who all get's hit with this tag in the Bible?
God and angels.
Jesus is not referred to as elohiym....but he is referred to as God.
From the NET Bible commentary John 8.
"sn I am! is an explicit claim to deity. Although each occurrence of the phrase “I am” in the Fourth Gospel needs to be examined individually in context to see if an association with Exod 3:14 is present, it seems clear that this is the case here (as the response of the Jewish authorities in the following verse shows)."
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April 22nd, 2012, 07:15 PM
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God and angels.
Jesus is not referred to as elohiym....but he is referred to as God.
From the NET Bible commentary John 8.
"sn I am! is an explicit claim to deity. Although each occurrence of the phrase “I am” in the Fourth Gospel needs to be examined individually in context to see if an association with Exod 3:14 is present, it seems clear that this is the case here (as the response of the Jewish authorities in the following verse shows)."
I have to admit that I have religiously avoided commentaries save Spurgeon's take on the Psalms as I was appreciative of his take on the 22nd. I preferred to figure it out for myself. That said, I am interested in the notion that you don't think Jesus was/is elohiym. Could you tell me who you think the "us" in Gen 1:26 was?
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April 22nd, 2012, 08:26 PM
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I have to admit that I have religiously avoided commentaries save Spurgeon's take on the Psalms as I was appreciative of his take on the 22nd. I preferred to figure it out for myself. That said, I am interested in the notion that you don't think Jesus was/is elohiym. Could you tell me who you think the "us" in Gen 1:26 was?
The heavenly host.
Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same.
I thought we were discussing the meanings of the word "god". Why not try "elohiym" for starters? Who all get's hit with this tag in the Bible?
We could do YHWH, as there is no mistaking who is being discussed when that name comes up.
It appears to me that Paul is clearly associating the name of Jesus the Messiah with YHWH in Philippians 2:9-11, by quoting Isaiah 45:22-23, which is an explicitly monotheistic text.
Eucharist [thanksgiving] is the state of the perfect man. Eucharist is the life of paradise. Eucharist is the only full and real response of man to God's creation, redemption, and gift of heaven. - Alexander Schemann
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