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Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
April 25th, 2012, 06:28 PM
So, keypurr, the Jews picked up the stones to cast at Jesus just because they thought he was offending their sensitivities or because they did understand that Jesus was saying that He was God?
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am” (Jn 8:58).
That our Lord by this expression asserted his divinity and eternal existence as the great I AM, appears evident from the use of the present tense, instead of the preter, from its being in answer to the Jews, who inquired whether he had seen Abraham, and from its being thus understood by the multitude, who were exasperated at it to such a degree that they took up stones to stone him. The ancient Jews not only believed that the Messiah was superior to and Lord of all the patriarchs, even of angels (see Yalkut Simeoni on Is. 52:13. Bereshith Rabba on Ge. 28:10. Zohar, Gen. fol. 88), but that his celestial nature existed with God, from whom it emanated before the Creation (Netzach Israel, c. 35, fol. 38), and that creation was effected by his ministry (Zohar, l. fol. 128, on Ge. 49:11). Is. 44:6, 8; Is. 48:12; Re. 1:8; Jn. 4:26; Jn. 13:19; Jn. 18:5, 6.
“Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by” (John 8:59)
This action on the part of these Jewish hearers demonstrates that they understood Jesus to be making claim to deity. (Jn. 10:30-33; Jn. 11:8; Lk. 13:34).
Smith, J. H. (1992). The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
Last edited by lifeisgood; April 25th, 2012 at 06:50 PM.
So, keypurr, the Jews picked up the stones to cast at Jesus just because they thought he was offending their sensitivities or because they did understand that Jesus was saying that He was God?
Jesus told them he was the SON of GOD, they related that to him saying he was God.
Quote:
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am (Jn 8:58).
That our Lord by this expression asserted his divinity and eternal existence as the great I AM, appears evident from the use of the present tense, instead of the preter, from its being in answer to the Jews, who inquired whether he had seen Abraham, and from its being thus understood by the multitude, who were exasperated at it to such a degree that they took up stones to stone him. The ancient Jews not only believed that the Messiah was superior to and Lord of all the patriarchs, even of angels (see Yalkut Simeoni on Is. 52:13. Bereshith Rabba on Ge. 28:10. Zohar, Gen. fol. 88), but that his celestial nature existed with God, from whom it emanated before the Creation (Netzach Israel, c. 35, fol. 38), and that creation was effected by his ministry (Zohar, l. fol. 128, on Ge. 49:11). Is. 44:6, 8; Is. 48:12; Re. 1:8; Jn. 4:26; Jn. 13:19; Jn. 18:5, 6.
The Messiah is foretold to be a prophet, a servant of God. Not equal to or Higher than God.
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Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by (John 8:59)
This action on the part of these Jewish hearers demonstrates that they understood Jesus to be making claim to deity. (Jn. 10:30-33; Jn. 11:8; Lk. 13:34).
Smith, J. H. (1992). The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
The action of the Jews showed that that had no clue who the Son of God is. That is why they put him on the cross.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
See, they knew he was the Son but they thought that made him God. They were wrong, I hope you do not want to follow them.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
"Yet for us there is one God, the Father" (Corinthians 8:6).
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).
Acts 10:38 "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all oppressed by the devil, for God was with him."
Isaiah 61:1 "The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the LORD (YHWH) has anointed me."
Note the word "AND"
1 Cor. 1:3 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Cor. 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 1:1 "To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 3:13 "To be blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus."
2 Thessalonians 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Thessalonians 2:16 "May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us."
Philippians 4:20 To our God and Father, glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Collosians 1:2 "Peace from God our Father."
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all."
James1:1 "James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Timothy 1:2 "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
2 Timothy 1:2 "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
Titus 1:4 "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our savior."
Philemon vv. 3 "Peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Galatians 1:3 "Peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from the Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36 say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
WAS HE GOD? I THINK NOT.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
"Yet for us there is one God, the Father" (Corinthians 8:6).
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).
Acts 10:38 – "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all oppressed by the devil, for God was with him."
Isaiah 61:1 – "The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the LORD (YHWH) has anointed me."
Note the word "AND"
1 Cor. 1:3 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Cor. 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 1:1 – "To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 3:13 – "To be blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus."
2 Thessalonians 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Thessalonians 2:16 – "May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us."
Philippians 4:20 – To our God and Father, glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Collosians 1:2 – "Peace from God our Father."
Ephesians 4:6 – "One God and Father of all."
James1:1 – "James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Timothy 1:2 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
2 Timothy 1:2 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
Titus 1:4 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our savior."
Philemon vv. 3 – "Peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Galatians 1:3 "Peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from the Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36 say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
WAS HE GOD? I THINK NOT.
Why not, Keypurr? Stubborn? Pride? Are you smarter than me? More intellegent? More blessed by God? Filled more? Better at English? Better at Greek and Hebrew? Taught the passages more than I? Went to Sunday School longer? Have been through your Bible more times? Have better teachers? Have better material?
Why?
Why do you insist, after I'm more than sure, enough doubt is given, do you, about .4% of the Christian community, many of whom have no more than a high school education or GED equivalent, do you insist? Why do you come to a triune board to platform or stand on the TOL corner with your sign (the same painted one here)? What is it all really about? Can you tell me? You know my answer. I am losing the point of it all. You won't listen and will turn it right around, without any of it for back-up and say it is me. I know you have special verses all your own you cling desperately to to block me out and champion your valued theology against me. I have no idea how to get through to you and am starting to lose a reason for doing it.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Reputation:
April 26th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lon
Why not, Keypurr? Stubborn? Pride? Are you smarter than me? More intellegent? More blessed by God? Filled more? Better at English? Better at Greek and Hebrew? Taught the passages more than I? Went to Sunday School longer? Have been through your Bible more times? Have better teachers? Have better material?
Why?
Why do you insist, after I'm more than sure, enough doubt is given, do you, about .4% of the Christian community, many of whom have no more than a high school education or GED equivalent, do you insist? Why do you come to a triune board to platform or stand on the TOL corner with your sign (the same painted one here)? What is it all really about? Can you tell me? You know my answer. I am losing the point of it all. You won't listen and will turn it right around, without any of it for back-up and say it is me. I know you have special verses all your own you cling desperately to to block me out and champion your valued theology against me. I have no idea how to get through to you and am starting to lose a reason for doing it.
If you were taught by God then you would agree with Keypurr and the scriptures posted.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Reputation:
April 26th, 2012, 01:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
See, they knew he was the Son but they thought that made him God. They were wrong, I hope you do not want to follow them.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
April 26th, 2012, 06:48 AM
THE TRINITY
The characteristically Christian doctrine about God. It declares that there is only one true God; that this God is three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, each of whom is distinct from, yet interrelated with, the others; and that all three persons are fully, equally and eternally divine.
TRINITY, RELATIONSHIPS. BETWEEN THE PERSONS
The actual term “the Trinity” is not found in Scripture, but the truths implied in a trinitarian understanding of God are clearly set out. The OT hints at a plurality of persons in the Godhead. The NT affirms that the Son and the Holy Spirit are divine.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
Deut. 6:4 See also Isa. 43:10-11; 44:8; 1Tim. 1:17; 2:5; James 2:19
OT INDICATIONS OF PLURALITY IN THE GODHEAD
God refers to himself in the plural Gen. 1:26 See also Gen. 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8
The angel of the LORD Gen. 16:11-13 The “angel of the LORD” is identified with, yet distinct from, God. See also Gen. 18:1-33; Ex. 3:2-6; Judges 13:3-22
THE WORD OF GOD
The “word of the LORD” or “wisdom of God” is personified and identified with, yet distinct from, God: Ps. 33:4; Pr. 8:22-31
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
The Spirit of God is God’s personal agent: Gen. 1:2; Neh. 9:20; Job 33:4; Isa. 40:13
THE MESSIAH
The Messiah’s divine nature is emphasized: Ps. 110:1; Isa. 9:6; Jer. 23:5-6
INTERCHANGEABLE EXPRESSIONS
Word, Spirit (or breath) and LORD is used interchangeably for God: Ps. 33:6; Isa. 48:16; 61:1
NT TRINITARIAN REFERENCES
Mathew 28:19 The unity of the three persons is reflected in the singular name. See also 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; Rev. 1:4-5
THE UNITY OF THE THREE PERSONS
The Son is fully united with the Father Jn. 10:30 See also Mk. 9:37 pp Lk. 9:48; Lk. 10:16; Jn. 10:38; 12:44-45; 13:20; 14:7, 9-11; 15:23
The Spirit is identified with God 2 Sam. 23:2-3 See also Ps. 51:11; Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 3:16
THE THREE PERSONS ARE DISTINCT FROM ONE ANOTHER
Jesus Christ addresses the Father directly Matt. 11:25-26 pp Lk. 10:21; Matt. 26:39 pp Mk. 14:36 pp Lk. 22:42; Matt. 26:42; 27:46 pp Mk. 15:34; Lk. 23:46; Jn. 11:41-42; 17:1
The Father speaks to the Son from heaven Matt. 3:17 pp Mk. 1:11 pp Lk. 3:22; Matt. 17:5 pp Mk. 9:7 pp Lk. 9:35; Jn. 12:27-28
The Spirit speaks to the Father on behalf of believers Rom. 8:26-27
Other examples of the difference between the persons Matt. 12:32; 24:36; Jn. 7:39; 16:7; 1 Tim. 2:5; 1 Jn. 2:1
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON
Jesus Christ is God’s unique Son Jn. 1:14 The Greek word for “One and Only”, traditionally rendered “only begotten”, is actually used to signify “the only one of its kind”; “unique”. See also Jn. 1:18; 3:16, 18; Acts 13:33; Heb 1:5; Ps. 2:7; 1 Jn. 4:9
The relationship of Father and Son is unique Matt. 11:27 pp Lk. 10:22 See also Jn. 6:46; 7:28-29; 8:55; 10:15; 17:25
The Father loves the Son Jn. 3:35 See also Jn. 5:20; 10:17; 15:9; 17:24
The Father shares his divine life with the Son Col. 2:9 See also Jn. 5:26; 6:57; Col. 1:19
The Father delegates his authority to the Son Jn. 5:27 See also Matt. 28:18; Jn. 3:35; 5:21-22; 16:15; Rev. 2:26-27
Father and Son indwell each other Jn. 14:10-11 See also Jn. 10:38; 14:20; 17:21-23
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE OTHER TWO PERSONS
The Spirit is “the Spirit of God” and “the Spirit of Christ” Rom. 8:9
“the Spirit of God”: Ps. 106:33; 1 Cor. 2:14; Php 3:3; 1 Jn. 4:2
“the Spirit of Christ”: Acts 16:7; Gal. 4:6; Php 1:19; 1 Pet. 1:11
The Spirit’s unique relationship with God Matt. 10:20 See also 1 Cor. 2:10-11
The Spirit’s unique relationship with the Son Jn. 1:33 See also Isa. 61:1; Jn. 14:16-17, 26; Acts 10:38
TRINITY, EQUALITY OF THE PERSONS
The Son and the Holy Spirit are equal to God the Father in eternity, nature and status. Within the Trinity the Father is head, first among equals; the Son and the Holy Spirit do the Father’s will, glorifying him and making him known; and the Holy Spirit glorifies and makes known the Son.
THE SON IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER
Jn. 5:18 See also Jn. 5:23; 8:16; 14:9; 17:10; Php 2:6; Col. 2:9
Rom. 1:7 The equality of the Son and the Father is often implied in the opening greetings of the NT letters. See also 1 Cor. 1:3; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 1Th 1:1; 1 Tim. 1:2; Phm. 3; 2 Pet. 1:2
Rev. 5:13 Doxologies are addressed to the Father and the Son equally or just to the Son. See also Rom. 9:5; Heb 13:21; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 7:10
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON
2 Cor. 13:14 See also Matt. 28:19; 1 Pet. 1:2; Rev. 1:4-5
THE OBEDIENCE OF THE SON TO THE FATHER
The Son submits to the Father in his incarnation Php 2:6-7 See also Matt. 24:36; Jn. 4:34; 6:38; 14:28, 31; Rom. 5:19; Heb 5:8; 10:5-7; Ps. 40:6-8
The Father is Jesus Christ’s “head” 1 Cor. 11:3 See also 1 Cor. 3:23; 8:6; 15:27-28
EQUALITY AND MUTUALITY AS THE THREE PERSONS GLORIFY ONE ANOTHER
The Son glorifies the Father Rom. 16:27 See also Jn. 14:13; Eph. 1:5-6; 3:21; Php 2:11; Col. 3:17; 1 Pet. 4:11; Jude 25
The Father and the Son glorify one another Jn. 17:1 In John’s Gospel, the “glory” of Jesus Christ is seen above all in the cross. See also Jn. 8:54; 13:31-32; 17:4-5, 24; Acts 3:13
The Spirit glorifies the Father and the Son Jn. 16:13-15 See also Jn. 14:26; 15:26; Eph. 1:13-14
TRINITY, MISSION OF THE PERSONS
All three persons of the Trinity cooperate in God’s work of salvation. For this purpose, the Father sends the Son and the Holy Spirit to redeem his people on earth and to live in and among them.
THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT DO GOD’S WORK ON EARTH
In the OT, the LORD alone is Savior Isa. 43:11 See also Ps. 19:14; 78:35; Isa. 43:3; 49:26; 60:16; Jer. 14:8; Hos. 13:4
In the NT, the Son is the Savior Matt. 1:21 See also Lk. 2:11; Jn. 4:42; Gal. 3:13; 4:5; Titus 2:13; 3:6
In the OT, the LORD lives among his people Ex 29:45 See also Ps. 135:21; Isa. 57:15; Ezeq. 43:7; Joel 3:17; Zech. 2:10-11
In the NT, the Spirit lives in the church 1 Cor. 3:16 See also Jn. 14:17; Rom. 8:9, 11; 2 Tim. 1:14
FATHER AND SON IN THE MISSION OF JESUS CHRIST
The Father sends the Son Gal. 4:4 See also Matt. 10:40; Mk. 12:6; Jn. 3:16-17; 7:28; 8:42; 1 Jn. 4:9
The Son reveals the Father Jn. 8:38 See also Jn. 1:18; 15:15; 17:6, 26; Col. 1:15; Heb 1:3
The Son does the Father’s work Jn. 5:19 See also Jn. 4:34; 5:17; 9:3-4; 10:37; 14:10
The Son speaks the Father’s words Jn. 12:49-50 See also Jn. 3:34; 8:28; 14:24; 17:8
The Father testifies to the Son Jn. 5:37 This refers to God’s testimony to his Son in the OT Scriptures. See also Jn. 5:32; 8:18; 1 Jn. 5:9
THE SENDING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
The Father gives the Spirit Lk. 11:13 See also Acts 5:32; 2 Cor. 5:5; Gal. 3:5; Eph. 1:17; 1 Jn. 4:13
The Son gives the Spirit Jn. 16:7 See also Matt. 3:11 pp Mk. 1:8 pp Lk. 3:16; Jn. 1:33; 20:22
The Father sends the Spirit through Jesus Christ Jn. 14:16-17 The varied terminology about who sends the Spirit reflects the close cooperation between and the shared activity of the three persons. See also Jn. 14:26; 15:26; Acts 2:33
THE THREE PERSONS SHARE THE WORK OF SALVATION
The incarnation Lk. 1:35
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
April 26th, 2012, 06:49 AM
Deleted entry because it was a duplicate. Must have clicked button too many times.
Last edited by lifeisgood; April 27th, 2012 at 08:01 PM.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Reputation:
April 28th, 2012, 08:24 AM
No, Lon, same source. Sorry about that. I must have been sleepy or the connection was too slow and I clicked too many times.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
Reputation:
April 28th, 2012, 08:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
He being Christ, the son of God.
"Yet for us there is one God, the Father" (Corinthians 8:6).
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).
Acts 10:38 "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all oppressed by the devil, for God was with him."
Isaiah 61:1 "The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the LORD (YHWH) has anointed me."
Note the word "AND"
1 Cor. 1:3 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Cor. 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 1:1 "To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 3:13 "To be blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus."
2 Thessalonians 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Thessalonians 2:16 "May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us."
Philippians 4:20 To our God and Father, glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Collosians 1:2 "Peace from God our Father."
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all."
James1:1 "James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Timothy 1:2 "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
2 Timothy 1:2 "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
Titus 1:4 "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our savior."
Philemon vv. 3 "Peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Galatians 1:3 "Peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from the Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36 say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
WAS HE GOD? I THINK NOT.
The problem with trinitarianism is that they ignore those scriptures.
They never look at, let alone discuss those verses.
Those that reject the trinity do look at the verses that trinitarians claim support their beliefs.
Those verses are always misaligned and taken out of context and mangled. Even the words in the verses are mangled and mashed into meaninglessness.
Oh, well, that's their problem, not ours.
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"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
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