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I know, but we cannot give up. Deep down I think she is an OK person. Its her zeal for the mission that she has that is driving her.
Some folks just cannot love their enemy.
What, to your mind, is the obligation of love and how would you go about loving someone who you believe to be both in serious error and in danger of harming others in his/her zeal?
1) Example: When you want to jump start a heart, you thump the victim, er rescuee hard. A thump is not always unloving (though can be embarrassing if the person is still breathing).
2) What the example explains: We must love the way we love. If you don't see it, it isn't a call to judge.
3) Another example: Some see a particular couple of posters on here as loving. The rest, see them as completely opposite of that. Love isn't always seen or understood. God looks at the heart (which is why I'm not an open theist - God knows, and I know He knows).
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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What, to your mind, is the obligation of love and how would you go about loving someone who you believe to be both in serious error and in danger of harming others in his/her zeal?
I suppose you accept them the way they are and try to help them find truth. If they are a threat to someone you have to restrain them til they get help. But you try not to kill them in the process.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Define love as it relates to your enemy, how should that love be expressed?
Prov. 27:5 Better is open rebuke
Than hidden love.
Scriptually you should Bless them and give them your coat.
How many could do that without God's spirit leading them?
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
1) Example: When you want to jump start a heart, you thump the victim, er rescuee hard. A thump is not always unloving (though can be embarrassing if the person is still breathing).
2) What the example explains: We must love the way we love. If you don't see it, it isn't a call to judge.
3) Another example: Some see a particular couple of posters on here as loving. The rest, see them as completely opposite of that. Love isn't always seen or understood. God looks at the heart (which is why I'm not an open theist - God knows, and I know He knows).
Mark your calendar Lon, we agree. But sometimes it is hard to give unconditional love to someone who does not return it. Then we just have to accept what is given. It has been my experience that the more love you give, the more you get back. And if you do not expect to get any back you still get the feeling of doing the right thing.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I suppose you accept them the way they are and try to help them find truth. If they are a threat to someone you have to restrain them til they get help. But you try not to kill them in the process.
See, I can appreciate what you're saying but that's not practical in dealing with those acting on a lethal intention. I'm thinking of the fellow in Virginia a few years ago who killed a number of people with guns. If I had been present and armed I'd have attempted to kill the man. Not because I desired his death, but because there really isn't any reasonable option at that point...I don't know if you've ever been under fire, but aiming to wound doesn't work. Your target is mobile and uncooperative. Your heart is hammering, your hands likely shaking from fear and/or adrenaline. So you aim for the torso, the surest target with the greatest likelihood of success and fire until your target goes down. If you try anything else you're as likely to miss and become a victim and/or allow for additional innocent people to be put in harms way.
I just cannot believe getting infraction by pointing out bybee's misrepresenting (lie) of me.
It is just unbelievable.
Take a look at her personal harassment coming after me. She has been doing that to me and nothing else. You guys seem to be so blind nothing is wrong about it. It is nothing but hatred. What she is doing is stalking.
Get real, people. And you guys boast that you are true Christians and saved. Sheesh.
Slogan/motto:
Of course you realize this means war! ~ Bugs Bunny
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April 29th, 2012, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Tambora
I love ya, Bybee!
As do I. Bybee is one of the sweetest and wisest members that has ever graced TOL with her presence. She not only talks the talk, but also walks the walk (in regards to Christianity).
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Try to be civil in the face of incivility. This is a test.
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April 29th, 2012, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by meshak
I just cannot believe getting infraction by pointing out bybee's misrepresenting (lie) of me.
It is just unbelievable.
Take a look at her personal harassment coming after me. She has been doing that to me and nothing else. You guys seem to be so blind nothing is wrong about it. It is nothing but hatred. What she is doing is stalking.
Get real, people. And you guys boast that you are true Christians and saved. Sheesh.
It is so immature but no one seems to notice.
We started out on a positive note. I gave you several pos reps. You took issue with that. I have not ever given you a neg rep. Since I cannot be friendly to you I have been avoiding you. I shall continue with that policy.
1) Example: When you want to jump start a heart, you thump the victim, er rescuee hard. A thump is not always unloving (though can be embarrassing if the person is still breathing).
2) What the example explains: We must love the way we love. If you don't see it, it isn't a call to judge.
3) Another example: Some see a particular couple of posters on here as loving. The rest, see them as completely opposite of that. Love isn't always seen or understood. God looks at the heart (which is why I'm not an open theist - God knows, and I know He knows).
I you dont understand what Jesus says in His passage of "love your enemy", you dont know His love, and you dont know Him because that passage is self-explanatory, simple and clear. You just dont want to accept it.
We started out on a positive note. I gave you several pos reps. You took issue with that. I have not ever given you a neg rep. Since I cannot be friendly to you I have been avoiding you. I shall continue with that policy.
That was deceptive gesture because you gave all kinds of comments against me. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for a long time and finally got the idea bout you.
I feel sorry for you, friend. I dont understand why you have to do this kind of stuff. You have been joining all kind of gang attacks and making subtle negative comments about the attackees. You have been always in the majority side in very subtle ways.
I have confidence in my assessments because I always give the benefit of the doubt to everyone.
Look what happened to Jedi who pretended to be my friend and back stubbed me with bombshell.
As do I. Bybee is one of the sweetest and wisest members that has ever graced TOL with her presence. She not only talks the talk, but also walks the walk (in regards to Christianity).
That was deceptive gesture because you gave all kinds of comments against me.
There's nothing "deceptive" about public comments, doofus. She engaged you, encouraged you when she could and appraised your responses publicly. That's what happens in forums.
Perhaps you should blog.
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I feel sorry for you, friend.
Hard to believe you have any pity left given how much you lavish on yourself.
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I have confidence in my assessments because I always give the benefit of the doubt to everyone.
...even funnier if you believe it.
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Look what happened to Jedi who pretended to be my friend and back stubbed me with bombshell.
Your tactics forced Jedi to use a subtle form of creeping satire. When more directly confronted you had/have this tendency to not respond substantively and whack the ignore button in short order.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Perhaps you should blog.
...even funnier if you believe it.
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