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"The Chief End of Me Is To Love GOD & Enjoy Him Forever!"
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April 26th, 2012, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
Paul used verbs which ALL indicate that the man of sin had ALREADY been seated in the temple of God but had not yet been manifested. He was instrumental in bringing the old covenant age to perdition. The new covenant age abides forever.
The results of the NEW COVENANT abides for ever. But this current reality here in this realm of sin is going to be fully dissolved,as all the elements thereof melt by the fervent heat of fire:
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Who was the man of sin, the son of perdition, the lawless one ? 2Th2:3 8
That would most likely be the Obamanation of desolation.Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to themwith flatteries.
Dear SeraphimsCherub,
Are you being serious here ? Do you really believe that the man of sin, the son of perdition, the lawless one (2Th2:3 8) is President Obama ? I can't tell if you're joking.
Who was the man of sin, the son of perdition, the lawless one ? 2Th2:3 8
His identity has no meaning for us today. Paul said that he "IS opposing" and "IS exalting" himself above God. Paul said that he "HAS SAT DOWN" in the temple.
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All the verbs indicate that it was happening in THEIR time and so it has no meaning for us today. I don't pay the man of sin any thought as it's not relevant beyond Paul's time.
Dear Wile E. Coyote,
This one man was so important, that Paul mentioned him, in connection with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. 2Th2:1
This one man's revelation, was required before the Lord's coming would occur. 2Th2:3
This one man, "opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." 2Th2:4
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 27th, 2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
For me, I view God as the skillful pilot of a ship that only corrects course when absolutely needed.
i dont see things that way. God is definitley NOT happy w/ seroius sin and so, since we are always sinning, it is absolutely needed that he intervene quite a lot... and we have to LET him intervene... you seem to feel that humans have no power to... conquer their evils... or soemthing... but i (now i think of it) wasn't able to conquer many of my evils until i returne to the RCC.... one reason Christ established a Church, i reckon....
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Yes, the abortion issue is tragic... but it is small potatoes when compared to a lot of the other mass slaughters in our history (like wars, ethnic genocide, etc) that reoccur on a periodic basis.
Not to mention plagues, etc.
small potatoes???? 50 million children slaughtered in ths counrty alone is small potatoes???
well, i can see where you would htink that
since you are already born...
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Eventually God will do something to reassert himself.. only he knows when.
true nuff... in the next world.. He rules... not us...
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For as much as it depends on you, live at peace with others.
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April 27th, 2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
i dont see things that way. God is definitley NOT happy w/ seroius sin and so, since we are always sinning, it is absolutely needed that he intervene quite a lot... and we have to LET him intervene... you seem to feel that humans have no power to... conquer their evils... or soemthing... but i (now i think of it) wasn't able to conquer many of my evils until i returne to the RCC.... one reason Christ established a Church, i reckon.... small potatoes???? 50 million children slaughtered in ths counrty alone is small potatoes???
well, i can see where you would htink that
since you are already born...
true nuff... in the next world.. He rules... not us...
Even your best efforts are but rags to God... not a single thing you can possibly do for yourself or others will ever please him.
You can pass the most well intentioned laws.. try and force people to act virtuous, etc.. and it is to no avail.
Sin has the world in its tight grasp and there is nothing you or I can do about it... only God can do something about it.
Think about that... it is exactly what Jesus and his scriptures teach.
There is absolutely nothing even the tiniest bit good in you that warrants God's favor.... nothing... same for me.
Once you have the proper framework that we exist in, you can finally view the world with open eyes.
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I know a lot of fancy dancers
People who can glide you on a floor
They move so smooth but have no answers
When you ask "Why'd you come here for?"
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April 28th, 2012, 03:01 PM
God's wrath a thing of the past?
No it is still in the future as the parabel of the wheat and the tares shows:
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Only at the time of harvest, the time of maturity for the wheat, will the tares be gathered.
In clear language, only after the sinful elect have been brought to redemption AND sanctification will/can the non-elect be gathered for judgment, for if they were to be judged before this maturity, the elect themselves would be rooted up also due to their sinfulness.
That this immaturity of the elect is related to their rebellion to the judgment is alluded to here:
Genesis 15:16
But in the fourth generation they (the Israelites) shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
What can it mean that their iniquity was not yet full? If the smallest sin puts Christ on the cross or the unrepentant in hell, what does a full iniquity suggest?
Who needs a full iniquity to act? Not GOD surely, so it must refer to HIS sinfull nation, the Israelites, as a type for those sinful elect (immature wheat) who refuse to accept HIS judgment (gathering and burning of the tares) until it is proven to them that enough is enough, ie, they have become mature in sanctification so as to be holy, that is, ready to judge HIS enemies at HIS side,
even if they are the members of their own families...
Matthew 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;
These verses do not refer to household arguments but to the final slamming shut of the gates of hell and where we will stand.
So let us look for and speed the coming of the day of judgent by our own holiness as per 2 Peter 3:11 - Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
:12 Looking for and speeding the coming of the day of GOD.
This one man was so important, that Paul mentioned him, in connection with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. 2Th2:1
This one man's revelation, was required before the Lord's coming would occur. 2Th2:3
This one man, "opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." 2Th2:4
Paul used verbs which ALL indicate that the man of sin had ALREADY been seated in the temple of God but had not yet been manifested. He was instrumental in bringing the old covenant age to perdition. The new covenant age abides forever.
Didn't happen. Kingdoms are conditional. Israel stumbled and fell.
Didn't happen. Kingdoms are conditional. Israel stumbled and fell.
Denying is not refuting my brother. Paul used language which CLEARLY puts the existence of the man of sin in his own time. Paul said that he "has sat down" in the temple. The man of sin had existed but had not yet been revealed.
The results of the NEW COVENANT abides for ever. But this current reality here in this realm of sin is going to be fully dissolved,as all the elements thereof melt by the fervent heat of fire:
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Nah! Paul ALWAYS used the word "stoichea" (elements) for the things of the Jewish temple and the whole sacrificial system. Peter would not have used the word in a sense that was unknowmn to them and to himself.
The "heavens and the earth" to be dissolved was the book of the law of Moses (Deuteronomy chapters 30-32). Jesus taught the same thing.
Denying is not refuting my brother. Paul used language which CLEARLY puts the existence of the man of sin in his own time. Paul said that he "has sat down" in the temple. The man of sin had existed but had not yet been revealed.
I don't know and I don't care. It has nothing to do with me nor the day I live in. Paul said that he "IS opposing" and that he "IS raising himself up" and that he "HAS sat down" in the temple (Young's Literal Translation).
I don't know and I don't care. It has nothing to do with me nor the day I live in. Paul said that he "IS opposing" and that he "IS raising himself up" and that he "HAS sat down" in the temple (Young's Literal Translation).
The man of sin was THEIR concern and not mine.
Did the Lord Jesus Christ consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming the lawless one, or not. And if He did, who was he, since he has been revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
Did the Lord Jesus Christ consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming the lawless one, or not. And if He did, who was he, since he has been revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
Yes the Lord destroyed him. I have already answered that I don't know who he was and I don't care. To me it's just carnal speculation. Why do you ask me again who he was when I have already answered that I don't know and don't care?
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