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I know a lot of fancy dancers
People who can glide you on a floor
They move so smooth but have no answers
When you ask "Why'd you come here for?"
~ Cat Stevens
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April 27th, 2012, 12:13 AM
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
ALL secular definitions of love include another person:
1. a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
3. sexual passion or desire.
4. a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart.
5. (used in direct address as a term of endearment, affection, or the like):
ALL Biblical definitins of love are about a relationship:
1 Corinthians 13: Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
Try putting any of these definitions of love into a total vacuum: Love is patient and not jealous in a vaccuum with no one else in existence....
Even John, the one who Jesus loved, always wrote about love as a part of realtionship: as per:
John 14:15
If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
I John 2:5
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
LOVE is a behavioural choice with an emotional component or is an emotion that impels us to behave favourably towards another but it always includes another.
The concept of a GOD who is LOVE not having someone to love is ludicrous, especially for the eternity before creation.
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II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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April 27th, 2012, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ttruscott
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
ALL secular definitions of love include another person:
1. a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
3. sexual passion or desire.
4. a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart.
5. (used in direct address as a term of endearment, affection, or the like):
ALL Biblical definitins of love are about a relationship:
1 Corinthians 13: Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
Try putting any of these definitions of love into a total vacuum: Love is patient and not jealous in a vaccuum with no one else in existence....
Even John, the one who Jesus loved, always wrote about love as a part of realtionship: as per:
John 14:15
If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
I John 2:5
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
LOVE is a behavioural choice with an emotional component or is an emotion that impels us to behave favourably towards another but it always includes another.
The concept of a GOD who is LOVE not having someone to love is ludicrous, especially for the eternity before creation.
Peace to all,
Ted
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The concept of a GOD who is LOVE not having someone to love is ludicrous, especially for the eternity before creation.
Why is it ludicrous?
Maybe that is why God created the heavens and earth for man, so that God could have someone to love and someone to love him back.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Yes, God is love! How does that prove the trinity?
Love is relational; therefore, for God to be love there must be a relationship in existence... this means that before God created anything, or anyone, there was a relationship.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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April 28th, 2012, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse
Love is relational; therefore, for God to be love there must be a relationship in existence... this means that before God created anything, or anyone, there was a relationship.
Love is relational, yes, but until there is someone to love, love is not given. It still exists, but is not given
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
ALL secular definitions of love include another person:
1. a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
3. sexual passion or desire.
4. a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart.
5. (used in direct address as a term of endearment, affection, or the like):
ALL Biblical definitins of love are about a relationship:
1 Corinthians 13: Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
Try putting any of these definitions of love into a total vacuum: Love is patient and not jealous in a vaccuum with no one else in existence....
Even John, the one who Jesus loved, always wrote about love as a part of realtionship: as per:
John 14:15
If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
I John 2:5
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
LOVE is a behavioural choice with an emotional component or is an emotion that impels us to behave favourably towards another but it always includes another.
The concept of a GOD who is LOVE not having someone to love is ludicrous, especially for the eternity before creation.
Peace to all,
Ted
Correct. If God is love, then He must have ALWAYS had someone to love. Furthermore, the word 'person' always been defined in a community sense. One cannot be a 'person' unless he has one of His own kind to relate to. No being, not even God is a 'person' all alone.
Anti-trin theology implies that God did not become a person until He created. But God has ALWAYS been a person because He has ALWAYS had another of His own kind to relate to. Jesus is that person. John 1:18 NASB says that Jesus is God's "monogenes" meaning "unique kind."
Maybe he loved himself. It has been said, if you can't love yourself, you can't love others.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Maybe he loved himself. It has been said, if you can't love yourself, you can't love others.
The scripture says "God is love" in the context of expressing love toward others. Therefore, if God has always been love, then He has always had someone to love. John 1:18 NASB says that Jesus was the "only God" in Father's bosom.
As touched on earlier, Love can exist in essence as something true to its own being, and exist by itself 'existentially'. However it is 'experientially' shared in association with other personalities. God's Love is therefore realized in 'sharing', as it relates, bonds and enhances itself thru 'association'.
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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April 28th, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by freelight
As touched on earlier, Love can exist in essence as something true to its own being, and exist by itself 'existentially'.
No it can't, big words don't change that.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
My former statement stands when considered in its entire context, since I do specify that Love is experienced in 'relational association'. Whether Love exists unto itself as 'Being' itself, is an ontological assumption, recognizing the Singularity of 'God'. - not much to split hairs over, but there are 'existential' and 'experiential' aspects of 'God'.
God is Love. (existential; a matter of quality, being, character)
God loves ( is the activity of God in a relational context, wherein love becomes experiential )
Love in essence -
April 28th, 2012, 03:03 PM
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