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April 28th, 2012, 10:22 AM
Communism
I truncated this article that another poster posted some time ago.
The following explains what Communism is and why it is problematic
People who do not want Communism can vote for a truly American candidate this next election – ABC: Anyone But the Communist (Obama) He’s the only Communist running… although some of the others are closet (hmmm…) socialists… but (sigh) we’ve had a from of socialism ever since FDR…
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[My comments in brackets / different font]
8. The Communism of today… conceals in itself a false messianic idea. … the multitudes entrapped by delusive promises. This is especially true in an age like ours, when unusual misery has resulted from the unequal distribution of the goods of this world [I don’t feel this last statement is true of the USA]
… the use of the most brutal methods to insure the achievement of gigantic projects with a minimum of expense.
9. The doctrine of modern Communism, which is often concealed under the most seductive trappings, is in substance based on the principles of… historical materialism previously advocated by [Karl] Marx… According to this doctrine there is in the world only one reality, matter, the blind forces of which evolve into plant, animal and man. Even human society is nothing but a… form of matter, evolving…
In such a doctrine, as is evident, there is no room for the idea of God; there is no difference between matter and spirit, between soul and body; there is neither survival of the soul after death nor any hope in a future life.
[Then what is the meaning of life? There is none for the Communist… That is scary in and of itself…]…
Communists… endeavor to sharpen the antagonisms which arise between the various classes of society. Thus the class struggle with its consequent violent hate and destruction takes on the aspects of a crusade for the progress of humanity. On the other hand, all other forces whatever, as long as they resist such [a goal] must be annihilated [emphasis mine] as hostile to the human race.
10. Communism… strips man of his liberty, robs human personality of… its dignity, and removes all the moral restraints that check… blind impulse. There is no recognition of any right of the individual in his relations to the collectivity; no natural right is accorded to human personality, which is a mere cog-wheel in the Communist system…
… rejecting all hierarchy and divinely-constituted authority, including the authority of parents. What men call authority and subordination is derived from the community…
[scary…]
Nor is the individual granted any property rights over material goods or the means of production, for inasmuch as these are the source of further wealth, their possession would give one man power over another…
[What Communist country has ever had a society in which no man had authority over others? In fact, they have always had a system of the few ruling the many…]
11. Refusing to human life any… spiritual character, such a doctrine logically makes of marriage and the family a purely artificial… institution… There exists no matrimonial bond… that is not subject to the whim of… the collectivity.
… Communism is… characterized by the rejection of any link that binds woman to the family… and her emancipation is proclaimed as a basic principle. She is withdrawn from the family and the care of her children, to be thrust instead into public life and collective production under the same conditions as man. The care of home and children then devolves upon the collectivity. Finally, the right of education is denied to parents, for it is conceived as the exclusive prerogative of the community…
12 [Communism is] a collectivity with no other hierarchy than that of the economic system.
[That alone should be cause for grave concern]
It would have only one mission: the production of material things by means of collective labor, so that the goods of this world might be enjoyed in a paradise where each would "give according to his powers" and would "receive according to his needs." [Yeah, right… It would give only to those who are worthwhile to the state. Anyone who is not… would be done away with… one way or another. This has happened in every Communist society on Earth… If man is not made in God’s image and/or if his life has no meaning, what is to stop the high and mighty rulers who run the Communist systems from getting rid of whomever they do not like…]
Communism recognizes in the collectivity the… unlmited discretion, to draft individuals for the labor of the collectivity with no regard for their personal welfare; so that even violence could be legitimately exercised to dragoon the recalcitrant against their wills.
… In a word… Communists claim to inaugurate a new era and a new civilization which is the result of blind evolutionary forces culminating in a humanity without God.
It is in opposition both to reason and to Divine Revelation. It subverts the social order, because it means the destruction of its foundations; because it ignores the true origin and purpose of the State; because it denies the rights, dignity and liberty of human personality.
I truncated this article that another poster posted some time ago.
The following explains what Communism is and why it is problematic
People who do not want Communism can vote for a truly American candidate this next election – ABC: Anyone But the Communist (Obama) He’s the only Communist running… although some of the others are closet (hmmm…) socialists… but (sigh) we’ve had a from of socialism ever since FDR…
What was asked of you was to explain communism in your own words, and then to show how Obama is a communist.
What you do is quote half a post from someone else (with horrible formatting, and no citation) and make vague statements about why we don't want communism.
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April 28th, 2012, 11:33 AM
I asked you to define communism with your own words, preferably in a short and concise form so that you can demonstrate that you actually understand what you are talking about. Secondly, I asked if you could show how President Obama's actions makes him a communist.
You have done neither and thus failed the challenge presented to you. What you have done is copy/pasted an article from another website without adding a reference, which I believe is a violation of the TOL forum rules.
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April 28th, 2012, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by annabenedetti
Can you define European liberalism for me? I'd like to know.
Pro market, pro business, wanting fewer restrictions on trade and lower taxes, emphasis on freedom and responsibility of the individual. Cosmopolitan rather than nationalistic. In favor of some regulation and social spending, but generally less than what both conservatives and leftists call for.
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Pro market, pro business, wanting fewer restrictions on trade and lower taxes, emphasis on freedom and responsibility of the individual. Cosmopolitan rather than nationalistic. In favor of some regulation and social spending, but generally less than what both conservatives and leftists call for.
Since that, in general, sounds like American conservatism, then I'm thinking European conservatism must be something other than American. Would European conservatism be considered more akin to fascism?
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April 28th, 2012, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by annabenedetti
Since that, in general, sounds like American conservatism, then I'm thinking European conservatism must be something other than American. Would European conservatism be considered more akin to fascism?
That is what they are accused of all the time. Sometimes wildly inaccurately, sometimes the accusers have a point. Although conservatives generally favor more government control so that protectionistic and populistic policies can be enacted and enforced, there are some nationalistic/right-wing parties that also have a more "liberal" attitude towards economics and the role of the government. One example of such would be the infamous Austrian Freedom Party.
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That is what they are accused of all the time. Sometimes wildly inaccurately, sometimes the accusers have a point. Although conservatives generally favor more government control so that protectionistic and populistic policies can be enacted and enforced, there are some nationalistic/right-wing parties that also have a more "liberal" attitude towards economics and the role of the government. One example of such would be the infamous Austrian Freedom Party.
It's complicated.
Where do you stand in your national political spectrum?
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April 28th, 2012, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by annabenedetti
Since that, in general, sounds like American conservatism, then I'm thinking European conservatism must be something other than American.
It makes sense that Americans and Europeans could both insult each other by calling each other "liberals." To a more regulation-based government, the idea of a free market is "liberal." To a government with a freer market, the idea of regulation is "liberal."
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Sometimes wildly inaccurately, sometimes the accusers have a point. Although conservatives generally favor more government control so that protectionistic and populistic policies can be enacted and enforced, there are some nationalistic/right-wing parties that also have a more "liberal" attitude towards economics and the role of the government. One example of such would be the infamous 
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