[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

Ok AB, what is left of center in your view? Communism? Socialism? Stalin, Marx, Lenin, Mao?

Communism and socialism (in a traditional sense) are to the left of centre in my 'view'. I don't view politics in absolute black and white either though so it depends. Outright dictators like Stalin were fascists as were Hitler/Mussolini etc. Neither "side" is immune from nutters or extremism Doc.

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain

Communism and socialism (in a traditional sense) are to the left of centre in my 'view'. I don't view politics in absolute black and white either though so it depends. Outright dictators like Stalin were fascists as were Hitler/Mussolini etc. Neither "side" is immune from nutters or extremism Doc.

Ok, so if I am understanding you correctly, even Stalin was a fascist?

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

Ok, so if I am understanding you correctly, even Stalin was a fascist?

Yes! I thought I'd been clear enough on that already?! Fascism isn't exclusive to any one particular branch of politics dude. Do you recall me saying I hate extremism of any sort be it 'left' or 'right'?

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain

Yes! I thought I'd been clear enough on that already?! Fascism isn't exclusive to any one particular branch of politics dude. Do you recall me saying I hate extremism of any sort be it 'left' or 'right'?

That's great AB, I share your thought there, the difference is where we make our center line obviously.

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

That's great AB, I share your thought there, the difference is where we make our center line obviously.

It would seem so, but at least we share some sort of thought in common

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain

Frank, pointing out differences in cultural usage of the term isn't the same as 'promoting' a racist ideology. Personally I don't find it that surprising that an ethnic slur is ironically turned into something else by those who suffered from prejudiced ignorance in one aspect. If you conflate that with support for any black extremist groups then you're just missing the context (again)

And you contradicted yourself -- again.

Oh. In that case you must have some mindless "need" to keep defending yourself then Frank going by your own 'logic' there. The people I accuse of being racists are the ones who make dumb braindead remarks along the lines of how other races 'smell bad' and how they're unlikely to have a soul. Oh, is that unfair of me?

Yes, it is, and beside the point as well. What I recognize is that what is "fair" for you may not be fair for someone else. It's the ol' time liberal hypocrisy masquerading as equity.

Ok, I'm assuming 'cracker' is an American term as I'm unfamiliar with it. Though running with the ideal then there's plenty names that friends use which would be derogatory besides race if used by strangers so what's your point? Would you call a black man the 'n' word if you weren't sure he'd take it in good humour?

"Cracker" is a derogatory racial slur used by some blacks. They stopped using it when we whiteys started laughing at the obvious attempt at provocation.

[BillyBob]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

That's great AB, I share your thought there, the difference is where we make our center line obviously.

The Republican Party is currently left of center.

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

And you contradicted yourself -- again.

In what way exactly?

Yes, it is, and beside the point as well. What I recognize is that what is "fair" for you may not be fair for someone else. It's the ol' time liberal hypocrisy masquerading as equity.

Pfffft. If some crank is gonna make pathetic remarks about how folk of a different coloured skin to his own 'smell bad' then it's fair game to describe him as racist (and plenty more besides) If that ain't 'fair' to you then carry on the tired ol 'liberal' deflective crap dude. Or just post one of your usual smileys and pretend that counts as an argument....

"Cracker" is a derogatory racial slur used by some blacks. They stopped using it when we whiteys started laughing at the obvious attempt at provocation.

The 'n' word is a derogatory racial slur used by some whites. So there you go Frank.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain

In what way exactly?

I believe it goes with the territory of being a left-wing liberal extremist.

Pfffft. If some crank is gonna make pathetic remarks about how folk of a different coloured skin to his own 'smell bad' then it's fair game to describe him as racist (and plenty more besides) If that ain't 'fair' to you then carry on the tired ol 'liberal' deflective crap dude. Or just post one of your usual smileys and pretend that counts as an argument....

Ok. (no pretense involved. I am sincerely laughing at you.)

The 'n' word is a derogatory racial slur used by some whites. So there you go Frank.

It is also used as a derogatory racial slur by some blacks. Of course, being dulled by left-wing extremist identity politics, I would not expect you to know that.

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

I believe it goes with the territory of being a left-wing liberal extremist.

Oh, good for you then. Totally irrelevant to anything I'm arguing for/about but ho hum....

Ok. (no pretense involved. I am sincerely laughing at you.)

Meh, being laughed at by folk who think referring to races in the terms set out by BB is acceptable, be it in ignorant prejudice or race baiting fashion, means squat to me.

It is also used as a derogatory racial slur by some blacks. Of course, being dulled by left-wing extremist identity politics, I would not expect you to know that.

It can be yes, of course if you were to actually engage with some sincerity on the topic you wouldn't presume that I wasn't already aware of that also. Anyone who knows me knows what I think of extremism of any political stripe.

[The Barbarian]

The Republican Party is currently left of center.

The Republican party currently considers Ronald Reagan's idea of a fair tax policy to be "socialistic."

And that's all we need to say about that.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain

Oh, good for you then. Totally irrelevant to anything I'm arguing for/about but ho hum....

Yes, what you are arguing for is usually irrelevant.

Meh, being laughed at by folk who think referring to races in the terms set out by BB is acceptable, be it in ignorant prejudice or race baiting fashion, means squat to me.

How did BillyBob get involved? Trying a diversion to cover yourself? Typical left-wing extremist tactic.

It can be yes, of course if you were to actually engage with some sincerity on the topic you wouldn't presume that I wasn't already aware of that also. Anyone who knows me knows what I think of extremism of any political stripe.

I know what you SAY you think of it. Of course, accusing your opposition of insincerity, while displaying same, is another left-wing extremist tactic.

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

Yes, what you are arguing for is usually irrelevant.

Aye, thanks captain cheap soundbite. What exactly was your 'point/argument' when entering the thread Frank?

How did BillyBob get involved? Trying a diversion to cover yourself? Typical left-wing extremist tactic.

Whaddya mean 'how did he get involved'?! He started the bloody thread! After his usual race baiting schtick in another (where another poster exposed his asinine comments regarding Mexicans and blacks) he decided to create this one. Have you even read the thing?

Just what 'diversionary' tactic am I attempting Frank? Please do explain.

I know what you SAY you think of it. Of course, accusing your opposition of insincerity, while displaying same, is another left-wing extremist tactic.

You were insincere enough to make daft presumptions that A: I wasn't aware that blacks using the term couldn't be racist, and B: The reason why I wouldn't be aware of that would be due to being 'dulled by left wing extremist politics'. Neither had any grounding in fact so what you're accusing me of ironically actually applies to you.

Gotta love irony....

(Bring on the soundbites Frank)

[The Barbarian]

Should we report Arthur and Brumley for hijacking this thread with a thoughtful and serious discussion?

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain

Aye, thanks captain cheap soundbite. What exactly was your 'point/argument' when entering the thread Frank?

Engaging in conversation with you. I agree that turned out to be pointless.

Whaddya mean 'how did he get involved'?! He started the bloody thread! After his usual race baiting schtick in another (where another poster exposed his asinine comments regarding Mexicans and blacks) he decided to create this one. Have you even read the thing?

Sure have. Clearly defined the hypocrisy and deception of left-wing extremists, such as yourself.

Just what 'diversionary' tactic am I attempting Frank? Please do explain.

All the blabbler about how you are such a wonderful "centrist" in a sea of right-wing extremists.

You were insincere enough to make daft presumptions that A: I wasn't aware that blacks using the term couldn't be racist, and B: The reason why I wouldn't be aware of that would be due to being 'dulled by left wing extremist politics'. Neither had any grounding in fact so what you're accusing me of ironically actually applies to you.

Gotta love irony....

And we have the stinging "tu quoque" rebuke.

(Bring on the soundbites Frank)

Salvage what little you can from your left-wing extremist rants.