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April 30th, 2012, 06:11 PM
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I've asked this at least twice on TOL. I sincerely hope that you are all praying for me. Prayer is a powerful weapon against the powers of Hell. I need all the prayers I can get.
Trad, all joking aside. Don't you see this as being at least a little needy and kinda along the lines of a 'Drama Queen'? Seriously.
If you find women so repulsive that you don't want to have loving thoughts about them, there is absolutely nothing any one of us here can do to help you.
Well, maybe there is...
OK guys, flood Trad's PM box with pictures of yourselves. If that doesn't make him appreciate the wonders of the female physique, I don't know what will.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:12 PM
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The fault, of course, is mine. It sure would be easier to avoid these dirty thoughts if women dressed differently, though.
Your thoughts are not dirty. They are a normal male's reaction to an attractive female. You have the option to not look but, you are at the age of looking for a mate.
Trad, all joking aside. Don't you see this as being at least a little needy and kinda along the lines of a 'Drama Queen'? Seriously.
"Pray without ceasing" (1 Thessalonians 5:17).
"If you say the Rosary faithfully until death, I do assure you that, in spite of the gravity of your sins 'you shall receive a never fading crown of glory.' [2] Even if you are on the brink of damnation, even if you have one foot in Hell, even if you have sold your soul to the devil as sorcerers do who practise black magic, and even if you are a heretic as obstinate as a devil, sooner or later you will be converted and will amend your life and save your soul, if----and mark well what I say----if you say the Holy Rosary devoutly every day until death for the purpose of knowing the truth and obtaining contrition and pardon for your sins" (St. Louis Marie de Montfort, Secret of the Rosary, Red Rose).
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April 30th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Traditio: You have to do your part too. It doesn't make any sense to have the flippant, snickering attitude about these things that you've had in nearly ever rep comment you have ever sent me, then act like your problems are the fault of everyone else the next. You yourself have to really commit to taking your own purity more seriously before it becomes a matter of sizing up others as a threat.
Everyone else: This isn't as completely ridiculous an issue as you think. It is monumentally stupid for women to dress provocatively and then complain about how they're objectified. Women who want to be seen as more than a sexual opportunity or sexual competition need to take things into their own hands by not flaunting their own sexuality to influence men or pull rank over less attractive women. Dressing modestly doesn't have to go to ridiculous extremes. But people want to have their cake and eat it.
"So as not to exchange one evil for another, this poor land must be saved from the scourge of friend and foe alike." - Friedrich Schiller
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...the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love thei
Traditio: You have to do your part too. I doesn't make any sense to have the flippant, snickering attitude about these things that you've had in nearly ever rep comment you have ever sent me, then act like your problems are the fault of everyone else the next. You yourself have to really commit to taking your own purity more seriously before it becomes a matter of sizing up others as a threat.
Everyone else: This isn't as completely ridiculous an issue as you think. It is monumentally stupid for women to dress provocatively and then complain about how they're objectified. Women who want to be seen as more than a sexual opportunity or sexual competition need to take things into their own hands by not flaunting their own sexuality to influence men or pull rank over less attractive women. Dressing modestly doesn't have to go to ridiculous extremes. But people want to have their cake and eat it.
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". . Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
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April 30th, 2012, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Traditio
This is something I really notice when I am trying to control myself. Women really love to wear tight fitting clothes, and often, these clothes don't really cover nearly as much as they ought.
There are two problems with a woman wearing shorts:
1. Shorts tend to be form fitting.
2. They reveal the legs.
To which a woman might think: "But they're comfy, and it's hot out." Be that as it may, if you knew what kind of attention you were getting...
A woman wearing pants has all of the problems with 1, even though not of 2.
And not to mention the shirts/dresses that women wear. Most of the arm is bare. Most of the neck is bare. Often, even more is bare. Part of the back. Below the neck.
I'm sure you get where I'm going with this:
1. Women bare too much of their skin.
2. Even when they don't, their clothing is too form fitting.
Which really makes it difficult for me not to look.
The scriptural guideline for women is provided in I Peter 3:1-5
When any female expresses herself through exposition of flesh rather than being concerned with reflecting the indwelling Holy Spirit, and obeying this scripture, the sin of adultery begins with her.
Trad is correct to complain.
All women, Christian or not, know the power they hold over tempting males through outward appearance. WE ALL ARE TOTALLY AWARE of this, and shame on any female who makes light of dressing scantily, suggestively, or inappropriately in the presence of men!
Nang
"The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."
"Experience teaches us nothing; revelation teaches all we need to know."
“ Those who proclaim that the sovereignty of God determines what justice is, (do so) by observing what God actually does. Whatever God does is just.”
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...the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love thei
The scriptural guideline for women is provided in I Peter 3:1-5
When any female expresses herself through exposition of flesh rather than being concerned with reflecting the indwelling Holy Spirit, by obeying this scripture, the sin of adultery begins with her.
Trad is correct to complain.
All women, Christian or not, know the power they hold over tempting males through outward appearance. WE ALL ARE TOTALLY AWARE of this, and shame on any female who makes light of dressing scantily, suggestively, or inappropriately in the presence of men!
Nang
I agree with you, Nang. I see this all the time, myself.
June is Gay Pride Month. Tolerance and diversity? More like tolerate perversity.
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April 30th, 2012, 07:05 PM
No one is advocating sexy clothing - well, except for BillyBob - but do you honestly think we should all be running around in Mary dresses? It's possible to be decent without being dowdy.
Always be yourself unless you can be a unicorn. Then, always be a unicorn.
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April 30th, 2012, 08:18 PM
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Nobody has ever dressed as beautifully as Our Mother:
Our mother? Mother of God! (James earl Jones)
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
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April 30th, 2012, 08:20 PM
So the point of this thread is no bikinis at the pool or at the beach?
That's so gay.
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
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April 30th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Trad, why is it always a woman's fault for making men do things they shouldnt be doing? You sound like Adam telling God, "it's the woman's fault, she made me do it."
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
Trad, why is it always a woman's fault for making men do things they shouldnt be doing? You sound like Adam telling God, "it's the woman's fault, she made me do it."
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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April 30th, 2012, 08:41 PM
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Trad, why is it always a woman's fault for making men do things they shouldnt be doing? You sound like Adam telling God, "it's the woman's fault, she made me do it."
Who said it is always the woman's fault? Trad already admitted that men should be considerate of women in the same way.
Romans 14:13-15 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way. I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.
Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.
Gal 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
1 Cor 8:13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
- but do you honestly think we should all be running around in Mary dresses? It's possible to be decent without being dowdy.
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