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without works you cannot get to Heaven... Doing what Jesus says is work - May 1st, 2012, 03:48 PM
It is work not to sin

It is work to say

I know that sleeping with __ is what i want, but i know its wrong, know that's not what Jesus wants... so i will pray instead... i will WORK to break off this thing...

It is work to love someone you prefer to hate...

It is work to do what Jesus wants instead of what YOU wnat...

if anyone says we do not have to do these things to get to Heaven

he is not only wrong... but not in touch w/ reality
   
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May 1st, 2012, 03:53 PM
What if Jesus told an apostle that works are no longer necessary? What if one can avoid fornication without having to work at it? What if it's not work to love those you hate [if Jesus is in you, you have His love, and it is not work]? What if we want what Jesus wants, because He gives us the desires of our heart?




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May 1st, 2012, 03:58 PM
Then you have crucified the old man already!

I think that is a lifetimes task
   
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May 1st, 2012, 03:58 PM
You think your works can get you into heaven ?

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It is work not to sin

It is work to say

I know that sleeping with __ is what i want, but i know its wrong, know that's not what Jesus wants... so i will pray instead... i will WORK to break off this thing...

It is work to love someone you prefer to hate...

It is work to do what Jesus wants instead of what YOU wnat...

if anyone says we do not have to do these things to get to Heaven

he is not only wrong... but not in touch w/ reality



   
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May 1st, 2012, 04:00 PM
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Then you have crucified the old man already!

I think that is a lifetimes task
Was this a response to me?

If so, I didn't put the old man to death, Christ did; on the cross.




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What if Jesus told an apostle that works are no longer necessary? What if one can avoid fornication without having to work at it? What if it's not work to love those you hate [if Jesus is in you, you have His love, and it is not work]? What if we want what Jesus wants, because He gives us the desires of our heart?
if a manifestation of love is what makes a Christian

i would say there are maybe 2 or 3 Christians on these forums...

other than that, your post makes no real sense...
   
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Was this a response to me?

If so, I didn't put the old man to death, Christ did; on the cross.
why do pepole have avatars that look like something straight from the pit of Hell?
   
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if a manifestation of love is what makes a Christian

i would say there are maybe 2 or 3 Christians on these forums...

other than that, your post makes no real sense...
You clearly don't know what makes a Christian. Now we know for certain you are not one.




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It is work not to sin

It is work to say

I know that sleeping with __ is what i want, but i know its wrong, know that's not what Jesus wants... so i will pray instead... i will WORK to break off this thing...

It is work to love someone you prefer to hate...

It is work to do what Jesus wants instead of what YOU wnat...

if anyone says we do not have to do these things to get to Heaven

he is not only wrong... but not in touch w/ reality
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:




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why do pepole have avatars that look like something straight from the pit of Hell?
You obviously have no taste for the art of modern fantasy.

And as I recall, the Bible describes that which comes from Hell as appearing to be beautiful in order to deceive. So if something looks scary it is certainly not from Hell.




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May 1st, 2012, 04:10 PM
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Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
we are all called to take moments of REST

but if you REST and refuse to work...
EVER... meaning refuse to do waht Jesus says... which again is work

then you are in great sin

The saints say that sexual sins are what gets people to Hell more than any other

and second to that is lack of cfharity

it is WORK to be charitable to people... These forums attest to just how HARD a work it really is... some can't even seem to THINK of being charitable...so apprently ... it is GREAT work... more than breaking rocks, it would seem...
   
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May 1st, 2012, 04:12 PM
I still think we have some working out to do.

Not for our salvation. but our sanctification.

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If so, I didn't put the old man to death, Christ did; on the cross.



   
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You obviously have no taste for the art of modern fantasy.

And as I recall, the Bible describes that which comes from Hell as appearing to be beautiful in order to deceive. So if something looks scary it is certainly not from Hell.
as someone once said

Beauty is truth

Truth is beauty

that avatar is UGLY... just my honest opinion... hate monkeys... but so many seem to have chosen that kind of avatar... dont get it..
   
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May 1st, 2012, 04:13 PM
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Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
did you really READ the OP????

the Church does not say that WORKS save u...

it is GRACE

(not faith) that saves...

though grace comes through faith

(and good works)
   
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It is work not to sin

It is work to say

I know that sleeping with __ is what i want, but i know its wrong, know that's not what Jesus wants... so i will pray instead... i will WORK to break off this thing...

It is work to love someone you prefer to hate...

It is work to do what Jesus wants instead of what YOU wnat...

if anyone says we do not have to do these things to get to Heaven

he is not only wrong... but not in touch w/ reality

TruthSetsFree is in bondage to the law and religion.

The work of salvation has already been done by Jesus Christ.

We are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Catholics try to do in their flesh what God has already done in Jesus Christ. We have ALREADY been reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

We have ALREADY been justified by Christ, Romans 3:26.

Its over, Its finished, accept what God has done for you in Christ.
   
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