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The End of the Law is... -
May 1st, 2012, 08:10 PM
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Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
Do you believe on Christ. Then, you are at the place where law keeping is replaced by following after charity.
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1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
Following after charity is following after Paul as he followed Christ, and following God as a dear child.
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1Co 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
1Th 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:
You can't follow two leaders going different directions.
Following after charity is a commandment of the Lord.
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1 Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
If you don't follow after charity, you're not following the Lord. If you're not following the Lord, you can't get to the same place He's going.
Jesus Christ showed His disciples how to follow God as a dear child.
Jesus Christ sent His disciples to teach the nations how to follow God as dear children.
Following God as a dear child will teach you all the theology you need.
Last edited by Trumpetfolker; May 2nd, 2012 at 04:23 AM.
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May 1st, 2012, 11:00 PM
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If you don't follow after charity, you're not following the Lord. If you're not following the Lord, you can't get to the same place He's going.
Yes, without charity I am nothing and all I do is worthless!
"If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing" (1 Cor. 13:1-3).
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Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
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May 2nd, 2012, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by One In Christ
I don't quite remember all that being in Romans 10:9-10....
Wait...
...nope... It's not there.
He's mixing the event of salvation, and the walk/service that follows (and he perverts the gospel as a consequence).
Instead of adding circumcision to the gospel, he is adding his own definition of "follow after charity".
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Dear oneinChrist,
I edited the opener so that you could understand what I intended.
I have heard that the readers of the ancient Greek copies had to supply their own punctuation to the text. At least I didn't leave that big a challenge.
Jesus Christ showed His disciples how to follow God as a dear child.
Jesus Christ sent His disciples to teach the nations how to follow God as dear children.
Following God as a dear child will teach you all the theology you need.
1 Tim 1:5-7 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
It's interesting that people know the one about "clanging cymbals" but they don't know the one about "vain jangling".
Many heretical groups make believing their doctrine their way the law by which all must be judged. Grace, they seem to think, was defined by themselves. Grace seems to be for their convenience- not their salvation.
Jesus Christ showed His disciples how to follow God as a dear child.
Jesus Christ sent His disciples to teach the nations how to follow God as dear children.
Following God as a dear child will teach you all the theology you need.
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2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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May 2nd, 2012, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
He's mixing the event of salvation, and the walk/service that follows (and he perverts the gospel as a consequence).
Dear STP,
Paul preached a salvation that was eventual.
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Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Paul preached that a man's faith could save his house.
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1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Paul taught that continuing to in the doctrine would save Timothy and those who hear him.
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1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Paul taught that women would be saved in childbearing if they continued in faith, charity, and sobriety. Does God have a different plan of salvation for women that men.
"Remember to follow after faith, charity, and sobriety, women, so yo can be saved. Dudes, well, you don't have to do anything."
Can't see it, myself.
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1 Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Paul taught that you had to continue to remember the things he preached to be saved.
Part of salvation is being king priests. That's a position of responsibility to judge guided by love.
Kings judge offenders as Paul commanded. The priests succor those who are being tempted to give up.
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1 Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
2 Co 2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
5 ¶ But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.
6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
2 Thes 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
The successful king priest maintains a place for little ones to grow up, and older ones to mature.
Jesus Christ showed His disciples how to follow God as a dear child.
Jesus Christ sent His disciples to teach the nations how to follow God as dear children.
Following God as a dear child will teach you all the theology you need.
Slogan/motto:
Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker
Dear STP,
Paul preached a salvation that was eventual.
1 Cor 1:18 (KJV)
Eph 2:5 (KJV)
2 Tim 1:9 (KJV)
Titus 3:5 (KJV)
When, as lost and damned sinner, did you trust Christ believing that he died for your sins and rose again?
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Slogan/motto:
Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by heir
We see it all the time in "Christianity".
The Donald reminds me of Apollos, lots of flowery language, but he needs to be instructed in the word more perfectly. Like those who only knew the baptism of John, he is ignorant of Paul's ministry, purpose, and doctrine. He can quote the quotes, but is clueless.
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Slogan/motto:
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker
Paul taught that you had to continue to remember the things he preached to be saved.
No, he didn't.
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Part of salvation is being king priests. That's a position of responsibility to judge guided by love.
Paul uses no such term.
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Kings judge offenders as Paul commanded. The priests succor those who are being tempted to give up.
Paul never referred to believers in the Body of Christ as "priests".
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The successful king priest maintains a place for little ones to grow up, and older ones to mature.
Dear heir,
I have already shown you that, though there is a distinction between the BOC and the church of God according to your POV, Paul, in Acts 20:28, does not support that distinction. Since Paul, way past the middle of Acts, calls the Ephesian elders Holy Ghost-made feeders of the church of God, the things I've read about your understanding of the BOC have a great opposer.
Jesus Christ showed His disciples how to follow God as a dear child.
Jesus Christ sent His disciples to teach the nations how to follow God as dear children.
Following God as a dear child will teach you all the theology you need.
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