I don't understand the big uproar about NOTW and all that's connected to it. It's a scandal, but scandals happen all the time. So punish them as allowed by your civil/criminal laws and move on. Why is it this particular scandal more terrible and widespread than other more pressing problems in your country?
I think it is because the scandals got too many. NOTW was the final straw and there is not an institution set up to investigate all types of scandals going on, but they keep happening. Rupert Murdoch was the owner of the NOTW and now in turns out all his other papers were hacking into phones and bribing the police and officials too. Murdoch's insistence he didn't know what was going on seem to be all lies.
and even whilst all this is going on,another scandal has emerged where basically a government employee was feeding Murdoch all sorts of secret information to help him best his rivals in trying to take over Sky, a big media corporation here.
The level of corruption in the higher levels of society is one of the biggest problems this country faces and I'm glad that finally people are taking a stand and rooting it out
I think it is because the scandals got too many. NOTW was the final straw and there is not an institution set up to investigate all types of scandals going on, but they keep happening. Rupert Murdoch was the owner of the NOTW and now in turns out all his other papers were hacking into phones and bribing the police and officials too. Murdoch's insistence he didn't know what was going on seem to be all lies.
and even whilst all this is going on,another scandal has emerged where basically a government employee was feeding Murdoch all sorts of secret information to help him best his rivals in trying to take over Sky, a big media corporation here.
The level of corruption in the higher levels of society is one of the biggest problems this country faces and I'm glad that finally people are taking a stand and rooting it out
NOTW was the only straw, I thought. Correct me if I'm wrong, what other scandal was before this one?
NOTW was the only straw, I thought. Correct me if I'm wrong, what other scandal was before this one?
The main one was the expenses scandal. Basically, MPs are allowed to use tax payers money to cover the costs of being an MP. For example. for an MP from Scotland, he obviously can't commute to London everyday, so he would rent a flat in London so he could attend parliament. He could then get the rent paid for from tax money.
Now that sort of thing I have no problem with, it is right that an MP should have a house close to parliament so they can always work there. However MPs were abusing this system, they were buying two or even three houses with tax payers money and putting it down to Expenses. One MP claimed tax money to pay for her husband to buy a porno, another used tax money to a build a castle and moat for his ducks. There were obscene amounts of money being wasted by corrupt politicians and quite a few either quit, got sacked or were arrested. A number of them ended up in jail too.
An example of a more recent scandal, a senior member of the Conservative Party was talking to undercover reporters and said that if they donated £250,000 to the Conservative Party, he would arrange a private meeting with the Prime Minister and turn their ideas into policy.
The main one was the expenses scandal. Basically, MPs are allowed to use tax payers money to cover the costs of being an MP. For example. for an MP from Scotland, he obviously can't commute to London everyday, so he would rent a flat in London so he could attend parliament. He could then get the rent paid for from tax money.
Now that sort of thing I have no problem with, it is right that an MP should have a house close to parliament so they can always work there. However MPs were abusing this system, they were buying two or even three houses with tax payers money and putting it down to Expenses. One MP claimed tax money to pay for her husband to buy a porno, another used tax money to a build a castle and moat for his ducks. There were obscene amounts of money being wasted by corrupt politicians and quite a few either quit, got sacked or were arrested. A number of them ended up in jail too.
Thanks, I took a look at your link. It seems the majority of those named are Labour, though? How does that square with what you've said previously about choosing Labour because of the corruption of the other parties?
It was announced on 5 February 2010 that criminal charges would be prosecuted against Labour MPs Elliot Morley, David Chaytor and Jim Devine, and Conservative peer Lord Hanningfield in relation to false accounting.[14] On 11 March all four announced they would plead not guilty to charges of false accounting.[15] Potential cases against other unnamed MPs and Lords are still being considered by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service as of December 2010.
The Crown Prosecution Service announced on 19 May 2010 that Labour MP Eric Illsley would be charged with three counts of false accounting; he was also suspended from the Labour Party. It was revealed Lord Taylor of Warwick, a Conservative peer, had been charged with six counts of false accounting. On 13 October 2010 it was announced that former Labour MP Margaret Moran would also be charged with false accounting, while on 14 October 2010 former Minister of State for Europe and Labour MP Denis MacShane was referred to the Police following a complaint from the British National Party, as a consequence of which he was also suspended from the Labour Party. Three Labour Peers were suspended on 18 October 2010 due to their expenses claims:
Thanks, I took a look at your link. It seems the majority of those named are Labour, though? How does that square with what you've said previously about choosing Labour because of the corruption of the other parties?
It was announced on 5 February 2010 that criminal charges would be prosecuted against Labour MPs Elliot Morley, David Chaytor and Jim Devine, and Conservative peer Lord Hanningfield in relation to false accounting.[14] On 11 March all four announced they would plead not guilty to charges of false accounting.[15] Potential cases against other unnamed MPs and Lords are still being considered by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service as of December 2010.
The Crown Prosecution Service announced on 19 May 2010 that Labour MP Eric Illsley would be charged with three counts of false accounting; he was also suspended from the Labour Party. It was revealed Lord Taylor of Warwick, a Conservative peer, had been charged with six counts of false accounting. On 13 October 2010 it was announced that former Labour MP Margaret Moran would also be charged with false accounting, while on 14 October 2010 former Minister of State for Europe and Labour MP Denis MacShane was referred to the Police following a complaint from the British National Party, as a consequence of which he was also suspended from the Labour Party. Three Labour Peers were suspended on 18 October 2010 due to their expenses claims:
Thats why i dont trust any of the big parties, I might not vote for any of them. But overall Labour and the Conservatives are about as bad as each other, and despite those who are corrupt there are still MPs in both parties who are honest and hard working. Lately most scandals have revolved around the Conservative party.
Labour are under a new leadership now and if they come up with convincing policies come election time i'll see what they can do. They haven't quite settled on a firm direction yet, but I shall see what they come up with come elections. Right now it's not really that im supporting Labour but more than I have not been that impressed with the current coalition
. The Conservatives and Liberals seem to have lost all sense of direction.
Now are council seats like our senate/house seats? Or is it just a London thing?
All I really know about "councils" is the term council estate, which I learned from Dr. Who which I take to mean a type of government housing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
councils are local government. These elections will have no effect on the make up of the central government. Basically each town or city will have it's own council which is involved with running that particular city and is responsible for local services, stuff like organizing transport systems, or bin collections. some councils are in charge of a collection of small villages instead if there is no major city in a particular area I'm not really sure what the US equivalent is, maybe similar to county authorities?
Really this is seen as a way of judging the countries views of the various political parties in between general elections. It is bit like your midterm elections , except that it only effects local politics
Thats why i dont trust any of the big parties, I might not vote for any of them. But overall Labour and the Conservatives are about as bad as each other,
You said in your OP: "The Labour Party are making great progress, gaining new councilors and taking control of new councils. The question now is, will they have very good results or will they have great results."
If they're dealing with as much, if not more corruption than the other parties, I fear you're in for more of the same. I wish you luck.
You said in your OP: "The Labour Party are making great progress, gaining new councilors and taking control of new councils. The question now is, will they have very good results or will they have great results."
If they're dealing with as much, if not more corruption than the other parties, I fear you're in for more of the same. I wish you luck.
Thanks Ultimately I think their is a chance of corruption whichever party I go for, but right now it is the Conservatives who are acting the worse. If Labour comes to the election with a policy of fixing corruption, leaving the NHS alone and focusing on growth and employment then I reckon they may get my vote
Ultimately I think their is a chance of corruption whichever party I go for, but right now it is the Conservatives who are acting the worse. If Labour comes to the election with a policy of fixing corruption, leaving the NHS alone and focusing on growth and employment then I reckon they may get my vote
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