It looks like this may be Kat’s last stand and a big win! -
May 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM
I have brought this up in the women’s group, however, I wish to say this publicly. "The will of the youth can only go so far, you can only push us so far and this has gone to far! I do not care what kids call each-other in their own circles, but when you refer to me this way, you are asking for a fight, and this is a ‘no holds barred’ match to the end."
This is over the persistent insistence of, usually young female waitresses referring to women, obviously senior citizens as "you guys"
What I hope comes from this is more stress on the conduct of employees who serve the public. I think there is going to be a big win in this one, surly in the South, yet with chains, all over this country of ours. I say, "It is time the adults took back the code of polite behavior in our nation!”
They met more than their match! I have raised the roof at a few establishments in Saint Louis, calling for the manager, asked for an apology, and getting meals for free! It seems at the independent management level, they do not know what to do, being still kids themselves. Where we will achieve notoriety will be with a big chain, where policy will be changed. At this level, we are more sure those in charge will be able to make decisions in our favor, as they are likely old enough to see this matters and how simple the remedy, considering the possible future costs them profits. This is not a fight were it costs management, such as unions, it is only a concession which has no impact of business, only the future of young people learning better manners!
I know policy like some athletes know how to run, once policy recognizes its need to move in a new direction, it will be just as hard to change it back again! This means what happens today with, most likely be in effect ten years from now. How can anyone object to employees having good manners? If you are in any social service job, you are hired to make the customer content, not just the young customers, but all the customers.
With 'Last Stand' up there in the title, I think most of us aren't posting because we are relieved concerning the topic and are walking away quite happy.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
You got me there Lon, I do not know if that is a complement ot a pun? Whatever, you earned it in my book, I like your posts.
As to the kids thing, well you know I don't mean children, I guess kids, to me means those in their 20s and some in their 30s, half my age, or less, not so much this in their 40s. I do expect 40 to act mature and when 40 does not, I am far more disappointed than when it is someone 20.
I'm beginning to sound like Orson Wells?
In the more full length text, I mention it is not as much the kids fault as it is the irresponsible parents of the kids. They may be talented, yet so often lack the common sense to realise the meaning for having good manners!
In another letter I discussed the issue of language, how the prevailing disregard, has led to poor writing. Consider, how much time in college does one take at writing assignments, then compare that to how much time, in the same period, do they spend talking to friends?
When I was young, new words were embraced, and language was a mark of attainment, yet today, it is almost the opposite, and there is no good reason for it!
Oh BTW: I do use editors now, as I make too many written errors myself.
You got me there Lon, I do not know if that is a complement ot a pun? Whatever, you earned it in my book, I like your posts.
I was just saying it was a better thread than I expected, and because I was happy everything was fine on the home-front, I didn't initially post.
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Originally Posted by Ktoyou
As to the kids thing, well you know I don't mean children, I guess kids, to me means those in their 20s and some in their 30s, half my age, or less, not so much this in their 40s. I do expect 40 to act mature and when 40 does not, I am far more disappointed than when it is someone 20.
I'm beginning to sound like Orson Wells?
In the more full length text, I mention it is not as much the kids fault as it is the irresponsible parents of the kids. They may be talented, yet so often lack the common sense to realise the meaning for having good manners!
Did we reach the peak of our civility or will there be a new Emily Post eventually..."Don't open doors for one another, that is a sign of demeaning one another." "Do burp, loudy instead of using expressive words. That just bores your hosts to tears."
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Originally Posted by Ktoyou
In another letter I discussed the issue of language, how the prevailing disregard, has led to poor writing. Consider, how much time in college does one take at writing assignments, then compare that to how much time, in the same period, do they spend talking to friends?
When I was young, new words were embraced, and language was a mark of attainment, yet today, it is almost the opposite, and there is no good reason for it!
Oh BTW: I do use editors now, as I make too many written errors myself.
I don't use editors and know I should. It does keep me on my toes a little bit to keep it fresh. I learned 'approbation' yesterday, so I think it is still 'allowed/approved' to learn new words sometimes
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
I use them only when writing what I want people to take as a serious issue, I mean when it is meant to actually be read by one able to change policy, not that I disrespect all other opinions. It takes extra time, time I do not have for here. I know what i am thinking, but at my age an effects from illness, I cannot see all my errors. There was a time when I could and, in fact, did edit for others. No shame in that. Some if use, more often in high places, and of the oldest working generation, (if that still holds true?) never did master the skills at typing.
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 5th, 2012, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ktoyou
I have brought this up in the women’s group, however, I wish to say this publicly. "The will of the youth can only go so far, you can only push us so far and this has gone to far! I do not care what kids call each-other in their own circles, but when you refer to me this way, you are asking for a fight, and this is a ‘no holds barred’ match to the end."
This is over the persistent insistence of, usually young female waitresses referring to women, obviously senior citizens as "you guys"
What I hope comes from this is more stress on the conduct of employees who serve the public. I think there is going to be a big win in this one, surly in the South, yet with chains, all over this country of ours. I say, "It is time the adults took back the code of polite behavior in our nation!”
They met more than their match! I have raised the roof at a few establishments in Saint Louis, calling for the manager, asked for an apology, and getting meals for free! It seems at the independent management level, they do not know what to do, being still kids themselves. Where we will achieve notoriety will be with a big chain, where policy will be changed. At this level, we are more sure those in charge will be able to make decisions in our favor, as they are likely old enough to see this matters and how simple the remedy, considering the possible future costs them profits. This is not a fight were it costs management, such as unions, it is only a concession which has no impact of business, only the future of young people learning better manners!
I know policy like some athletes know how to run, once policy recognizes its need to move in a new direction, it will be just as hard to change it back again! This means what happens today with, most likely be in effect ten years from now. How can anyone object to employees having good manners? If you are in any social service job, you are hired to make the customer content, not just the young customers, but all the customers.
I cannot reconcile why being called 'you guys' require an apology and free meals from a restaurant.
Were you siting alone? Was there a deliberate attempt, by that young waiter, to be disrespectful?
At any event the spirit behind the statement must be considered.
Did you discern the spirit of the statement or did you focus only on the letter?
If the young person using the descriptions meant no disrespect then you have unfairly punished both the person and the establishment.
Where as "you guys" may be deem disrespectful at all forums by you. This may not be deemed disrespectful by others including younger people. Other people, including youths must be permitted to communicate on their terms as well. Some of them have very limited approaches to communicate. They must live in and survive in their reality. They will be foreigners in your reality. If they adopt your reality they can become increasingly irrelevant in the currently prevailing reality which is being shaped by the youths and not older people.
It is not reasonable for them to have to learn and adopt how you like them to communicate and then they can speak to you. What about other customers who may all also have their individual likes with respect to how they should be spoken too. Does a youth have to learn all these different appraoch and then identify the likes of each customer, so as to deal with each customer on their individual terms, in a restaurant waiter job?
I do not see that it making sense to accept that "you guys" is absolutely bad and/or disrespectful and that it be banding from use every where.
Slogan/motto:
"Clichés are the bane of educated mankind."
-P.C. Cast
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May 5th, 2012, 09:15 AM
Yeah, really not seeing the point of the outrage behind this thread.
Thanks to texting and other technology-based forms of communication, there has been a major winnowing of language in many circles.
I have a large vocabulary, but I find it fascinating that so much information can be conveyed using so little verbiage.
I have witnessed entire conversations in which the participants only used the word "dude," with various high and low inflections to convey emotion and information.
Both participants were able to convey the entirety of their intended message without resorting to verbosity.
While some may see this winnowing of language as a downturn in intelligence, I see it as a simple change in priorities regarding communication.
English has far too many prescriptive rules of grammar, some of which make zero sense or have a hundred exceptions.
Vaya con Dios.
Dieu est l'amour.
Allah bidabbir.
“In many ways the evidence of our faith is found in our ability to control our tongue (or our keyboard)."
-Adam Hamilton, Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White
Slogan/motto:
Shouting at the world cause no one's listening...
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May 5th, 2012, 09:24 AM
Ktoyou, having worked in the restaurant sector when I was younger, I can tell you that the reaction you got to your complaint was only done to get you to basically "shut up and go away". I can pretty much guarantee that after you left both the waiter/waitress AND the manager thought YOU were the one out of line, and probably made fun of you as well. They did nothing that was rude or disrespectful. No one was reprimanded either, or told to change their ways.
From a management standpoint it's easier to just give the customer what they want, hence the attitude "The customer is always right". They aren't always right of course, but its just easier to everyone if we pretended they were.
The pain comes from knowing that we have never been safe, and therefore will never be safe again. It comes from knowing we can never be so ignorant again. It comes from knowing we can never be children again. Losing innocence. Remembering heaven. That was the essence of hell. -John Jakes
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 5th, 2012, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chrysostom
looking for a fight?
if so
you will get one
we are now living in their world
and
it has a lot to do with what we left them
so
try to exit as gracefully as possible
we have to assume some responsibility for the way things are
We are living in unprecedented times.
For many centuries before every new generation were conditioned by past traditional conditioning.
This was possible only because most people were dead to their spirit side where one's individuality and uniqueness is discerned.
The final depths of our physical make up is our dna which is unique in each person. Immediately beyond and supporting our dna is our individual spirit with equal but related uniqueness to our dna.
Those who live in only superficial awareness (i.e. of their physical side and not at all in awareness of their spirit) are very malleable. The are open to conditioning.
At the superficial physical lever everyone is discerned to be the same. Since most people were at this superficial level of awareness, it was easy to have continuity of social, moral and religious ideals and law. At this level (of unawareness) people see themselves in a generalized manner, i.e. as having the same need like all other humans. Their hearts are waxed gross, i.e. covered over.
Fact is this is not one's true identity. Fact is that every one is absolutely unique. However only the spiritually aware are aware of their inherent uniqueness. 'The dead' i.e. the spiritually dead are not at all aware of their uniqueness. Since they are dead to their spirit and therefore also dead to their uniqueness, they can be easily led into accepting and embracing generalized ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. So generation to generation of the past flow smoothly in terms of accepting and uphold social, moral and religious norms.
Now however things have changed. More and more people (especially among the youths) are aware or their make up at the finer levels, i.e. their spirit level. They are therefore aware of their uniqueness. This is the new generations.
Such awareness is never deniable. Once they have this awareness their uniqueness over power them. It cannot be denied. They cannot be subjected to generalized ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. This is the world wide predicament. The world's populations have transformed.
Such people cannot be subjected to traditional or any social, moral and religious conditioning. They must be led by the Spirit. Only the Spirit can directly manages such diversity.
Only the Spirit can manage humans who are aware of their individuality at the level of their dna and their spirit. Human diversities among the spiritually aware is absolutely individualized.
Humans at this level of awareness also require individualized attention and guidance. They cannot be managed (sheep like) under generalized ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity (i.e. like the Ten Commandments). Only the Spirit can manage them.
This is the state of the world wide reality. This direction will only continue to intensify.
. . . . . sorry to take what could have been a very light thread into the depth that is this post.
. . . . .yet how else is one to understand what is happening around one.
Indeed we err. We failed to discern Truth in the KJV N.T. We failed to empower the right people (i.e. we fail to empower people who operate through their ride side brain).
Last edited by Gurucam; May 5th, 2012 at 10:40 AM.
I just want to know what did you eat at this restaurant?
was the service acceptable?
And most importantly was the FOOD good?
if the waiter/waitress was rude I just wouldn't tip.
and I've seen some older/elderly women with cropped hair who kinda look like guys...I'm just say'n.
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
Reputation:
May 5th, 2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzzword
Yeah, really not seeing the point of the outrage behind this thread.
Thanks to texting and other technology-based forms of communication, there has been a major winnowing of language in many circles.
I have a large vocabulary, but I find it fascinating that so much information can be conveyed using so little verbiage.
I have witnessed entire conversations in which the participants only used the word "dude," with various high and low inflections to convey emotion and information.
Both participants were able to convey the entirety of their intended message without resorting to verbosity.
While some may see this winnowing of language as a downturn in intelligence, I see it as a simple change in priorities regarding communication.
English has far too many prescriptive rules of grammar, some of which make zero sense or have a hundred exceptions.
Slogan/motto:
Don't look back; something may be gaining on you.
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May 5th, 2012, 11:18 AM
*meh* While there are certain standards I expect wherever I go (like keeping my water glass full) and I always tip well if these standards are met (20% base, +/- depending on service) alot has to do with where I am precisely.
If I'm in Cracker Barrel or Longhorn for example...Yeah, I would expect hearing "you guys" a few times.
Now, if I'm at Il Mulino or Hue...Well, let's just say: Don't call me dude!
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
Reputation:
May 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM
People are born spiritual beings (i.e. as babies). We come aware of own own spirit and are led by it.
By neglecting to take our children in hand and condition them (in the past traditional manner) with intellectually discernible ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity, we have effectively allowed them to remain spiritual beings.
When children are conditioned (i.e. by parents, elders, teachers priests, etc.) by prevailing ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity, they are rendered dead to their spirit. When this does not happen they remain alive to their spirit.
For the last five decades, parent have been moving more and more away from conditioning their children with past traditional ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. This has left much more people spiritually aware.
The quality of their individual spirits is quite another thing.
At any event, in this way, we have precipitated the spiritual age on earth.
We have not set the foundation for management of the population under the old system. We now have to use the Spirit appraoch for management, in accordance with the Gospel of un-circumcision, as committed onto Paul.
Our youthful population is mostly uncircumcised. That is they are not conditioned from birth with ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. They are led by their spirit. This is not a bad thing. We have to show them how to be led by the Spirit of Jesus instead. We have to show them how to be led by the Spirit of Jesus as discerned by each of them individually within each of their own individual hearts or spirit.
They will not be returning to bondage under social, moral and religious law. The church and other social and moral institutions are in rapture.
This is the final nail in the coffin of slavery.
Intellectually oriented people delight in intellectually discernible ideals and laws of society, morality, religiosity and even English Grammar. They are the dead who are burying their dead.
A spiritually aware person does not take to training in the use of English Crammer. They seek ye first the kingdom of God within then all things are added. Through this path way they rise to intuitive actualization. Then they discern the finest undying reality in language and then produces feats in English language (which includes content) the likes of the very greatest.
The best is achieved, not by being trained, but by a Gift of the Spirit acquired by seeking first the kingdom of God within. This is not achieved from without, i.e. this is not achieved in a classroom under intellectual effort.
Last edited by Gurucam; May 6th, 2012 at 12:12 AM.
believe it!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
While there are certain standards I expect wherever I go (like keeping my water glass full) and I always tip well if these standards are met (20% base, +/- depending on service) alot has to do with where I am precisely. 
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