What are you saying? Are you saying that we cannot trust the KJV N.T. to confirm Truth?
Let us look at it, your comment applied to the following:
Yes, the Scriptures themselves are TRUTH, "BUT", the trash that is added to support some foolish nonsense, is nothing but making the Truth a LIE!! -- Maybe you should find out what "FAITH" IS!!!
The smallest lie added to the Truth, makes the whole Truth a LIE!!
Paul -- 051112
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
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Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 11th, 2012, 01:10 PM
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The most serious blasphemy of the Spirit is the denial and the promotion of the denial of the fact that: Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures.
The fact that Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures is confirmed and demonstrated unequivocally in: Romans: 4 verses: 5 to 9 and The Acts: 13 verse: 39 and 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17.
This denial can be done by children of the flesh. However when they do so it is a denial of scriptures. This denial can also be done by spiritually aware people (who can have communion with the Spirit but deny this communion). This is a denial of the Spirit.
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Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 11th, 2012, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Letsargue
Yes, the Scriptures themselves are TRUTH, "BUT", the trash that is added to support some foolish nonsense, is nothing but making the Truth a LIE!! -- Maybe you should find out what "FAITH" IS!!!
The smallest lie added to the Truth, makes the whole Truth a LIE!!
Paul -- 051112
I quite agree, foolish people like yourself? Not so? That is those who choose to esteem laws instead of the Spirit.
Jesus confirmed, if there was a law given that could give life then righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. (this means no law, no commandments, no canons etc.) Not even the Ten Commandments giveth life (Romans: 3 verses: 21 & 22).
So now righteousness of God without laws is manifested (re. Romans: 3 verse: 21).
Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17)
God justified the ungodly for those who are led by the Spirit of Jesus. The ungodly is the transgression of the Ten Commandments (re. Romans: 4 verses: 5 to 9). . . . what was justified and by who and for whom? God justified. God justified the transgression to the Ten Commandments. God justified the transgressing of the Ten Commandments to Abraham and his seed. The people want to know Truth, not your tall tales of fiction.
Those who are led by the Spirit has God given justification to transgress (i.e. to break) the Ten Commandments.
This is the liberty given first to Abraham and then his seeds. God justified the transgression of the thou shall not kill (and therefore all other commandments) commandments for Abraham and his seeds when they embrace the Spirit. This is the clearly confirmed in Romans: 4 verse: 5 to 9. You have to make up big lies to dismiss this clearly revealed truth. And you seem up to that trick.
Are you not telling aspiring Christians and Christians that they have to uphold laws like the Ten Commandments etc? Is this not your teaching?
Jesus confirmed: Those who esteem the Ten Commandments in the least, are required to uphold all of them to the finest letter. And they are not under grace and being in Christ is not for them (re: Galatians: 5 verse: 1 to 4). This applies to all laws (Romans: 3 verses: 21 & 22).
You do not like this liberty which is given by God to those who seek to be Christians so you you lie to aspiring Christians and make up your own scriptures. This is very serious. Doesn't that make you a false prophets who came in Jesus name and you are misguiding many?
If this is your method of operation, then wake up and face your serious erring ways and change now, before it is too late.
This persecution of Christians and aspiring Christians under the like of people like you, did not start today. Galatians: 2 verse: 4 confirmed that those who esteem laws were self-righteously persecuting and undermining Christians and aspiring Christians as far back as 2000 odd years ago.
You are stuck on that which is foolishness with God.
What here is not absolutely supported by revelations of KJV N.T.?
This is a baby step. This is not a major revelation among those which dismisses traditional Christian ideas. I ask again, what here is not absolutely supported by revelations of KJV N.T.?
You are misleading aspiring Christians and you are 'bold face' with it.
The hour for Truth to be known in totality, accuracy and clarity is at hand.
Last edited by Gurucam; May 11th, 2012 at 03:40 PM.
“Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men” (Matthew 12:31).
When Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, when in reality He was doing it through the Power of the Holy Spirit, these accusers blasphemed the Spirit of God.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit can only be committed by someone who professes to know the Lord, as the Pharisees of old, or else had once known Him; and then turned against Him.
The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.
The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!
However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord; but they do mean that one who has actually blasphemed the Holy Spirit, will have no desire to come BACK to the Lord, but in fact, will continue to oppose Him.
Anyone who desires to come to the Lord, which desire is placed there by the Holy Spirit can do so (Rev. 22:17).
“Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men” (Matthew 12:31).
When Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, when in reality He was doing it through the Power of the Holy Spirit, these accusers blasphemed the Spirit of God.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit can only be committed by someone who professes to know the Lord, as the Pharisees of old, or else had once known Him; and then turned against Him.
The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.
The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!
However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord; but they do mean that one who has actually blasphemed the Holy Spirit, will have no desire to come BACK to the Lord, but in fact, will continue to oppose Him.
Anyone who desires to come to the Lord, which desire is placed there by the Holy Spirit can do so (Rev. 22:17).
It is speculative beyond the immediate context of this passage, what the final condition of one who committs this sin is, or if there is some kind of way to be forgiven for this sin. Weigh this against John's writings where he says the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin. It would seem in the providence of God's INFINITE LOVE....that a soul could be forgiven for any sin.
Note that the Pharisees and scribes would be presumed to not have a true knowledge of the Holy Spirit as in that dispensation given to his immediate disciples, so if you assume they could not be blaspheming the Spirit', then what Jesus was saying, does not apply to them.
It would seem that one could see a work of God and attribute it to the devil (satan) and later repent of such a sin, turning their hearts to God. - for instance, a Pharisee may have later believed after assuming Jesus was using satanic power to perform healings, etc.
If this sin is indeed 'unforgivable' then what does that mean for the transgressor? How does this particular sin eternally doom a soul? Is the one who committs this sin forever confined to a state of hopelessness, eternal torment, dis-ease, restlessness? Does he at some point in time undergo soul-death (disintegration/de-struction)...the cessation of consious existence?
In the light of God's Infinite Love, its hard to believe that a sin is unforgivable, UNLESS it is the total utter absolute complete rejection of God, which somehow affects the soul eternally. Beyond these speculations, only 'God' would really know.
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 12th, 2012, 05:20 AM
Dear Letsargue,
My deliveries here are totally supported by revelations from the KJV N.T.
Jesus came as man among those people to die as a human sacrifice for the sin which they had up to that time. This was in accordance with the tradition of those who followed Moses. That was the end of their past sin. Under their belief no sacrifice (for forgiveness of sin or any thing else) was acceptable unless it was a blood sacrifice.
They were to avoid future sin by achieving communion with the Spirit within their own individual hearts and then be led into all their works by precisely what this Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own hearts. This appraoch was promised to Abraham and his seed. This is how the original Adam was led and this is how he lived. This is also how Jesus was led when He walked on earth in a human physical body. (Jesus identified Peter to be Satan when Peter sough to take Jesus off this path . . . go check Matthew: 16 verses: 21 to 23 in your KJV N.T.).
This is how they (and All other humans) were and are delivered from sin even when they did the things that were deemed sinful. Under this appraoch humans get no sin even when they transgress the Ten Commandments or any other laws. This is God's gift to Abraham and his seeds when they are led into their works by the Spirit which God sent into their hearts.
This is why God sent Jesus a second time in a regenerated way among them. This is why God regenerated the Spirit of Jesus and sent it into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God.
Then we are told very boldly, now (i.e. from 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty. This means that Jesus in the physical human body is no longer the Lord (i.e. since 2000 odd years ago). Nor are Moses' laws the Lord. Since 2000 odd years ago, for those people, the Lord is Jesus in His Spirit which must be discerned within their individual hearts or spirit.
Every one is to (and must) achieve communion with the Spirit and be led by it in the above manner. This is the only path to salvation and deliverance. This is the life in Christ. This is the New Testament which was committed onto Paul.
We are told that those who are led by the Spirit are children of God.
We are told to search our hearts to know what the Spirit has in mind for us to pray for, say and do. We are told that that guidance incorporate precisely what we want at the level of our own spirit and what is God's will for His creation. Because of our infirmities we would not (consciously) know what to pray for, what to say and what to do. But the Spirit knows. The Spirit knows our spirit (not our physical side) And the Spirit makes intercession with God on our behalf. We would know what the Spirit has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, when we search our own hearts or spirits. This is absolutely individualized and precise guidance by the Spirit. This has nothing to do with the generalize guidance under laws and scriptures. The generalize guidance under laws and scriptures are for the spiritually dead.
Those who deny this are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Where did your idea of being perpetually forgiven for continuing sin come from?
. . . . just a simple question.
You were told in no uncertain terms: if you esteem the Ten Commandments in the slightest way, you are under the Ten Commandments and you are obliged to uphold all of them perfectly to the letter for your righteousness. And you are not under grace of God and being in Christ is not for you. Jesus has benefited you nothing.
Jesus through Paul confirmed, if there was a law given that could give life then righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. (this means no law, no commandments, no canons etc.) Not even the Ten Commandments giveth life (Romans: 3 verses: 21 & 22).
There is no forgiveness of sin. Every man shall bear his own burden. If one esteems laws and cannons and scriptures etc., he will be judged under these and bear the consequence of not upholding them perfectly and totally. This is described as sewing according to the flesh. Such a person will inevitably reap corruption. If one sews according to the Spirit he reaps ever lasing life, salvation and deliverance.
The laws, canons, scriptures etc. come to one only though one's carnal side, i.e. through physical hearing and physical reading and not intuitively through one's heart or spirit from the Spirit. If one lives according to the guideline of these one is sewing according to one's flesh or carnal side. Under theis appraoch all fall short of the glory of God. One inevitably reap corruption.
Things of God come to one only through one's own heart or spirit and only directly, individually and intuitively from the Spirit. If one is led by the Spirit one is living according to one's heavenly or spirit side. One reaps salvation, heaven and eternal life.
The law, canons and scriptures are only for those who cannot intuit things directly from the Spirit though their own heart. This is because their hearts are waxed gross.
Go forth and deliver only the Truth, with love (re. Ephesians: 4 verses: 14 & 15 and Ephesians: 3 verses: 16 to 19).
Own no one anything but the deliverance of Truth as delivered to you through your own heart from the Spirit of Jesus and supported by KJV N.T. revelations of Truth. Do not rely on your own or anyone's else, intellectual discernment of scriptures. This is the sure passage to being a false prophet who came in Jesus name. This is not the path (to Truth) which Jesus sough to introduce. Jesus said, seek ye first the kingdom of God within (one's heart) and All things will be added. Jesus also confirmed that he must physically go away so that the Spirit of Truth/Holy Spirit/His Spirit will come (to His disciples) and bring All Truth. Jesus through Paul confirmed, in 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14, that only the Holy Spirit delivers Truth directly to one through one's spirit. That is, thing that come to you through your flesh/carnal side (i.e. is through physical hearing and physical reading) are not things of God, these are not Truth.
If you are Christian you would not deny these Truth, will you? Do you not discern these Truth in the KJV N.T.? Are you spiritually dead and simply pretending to be Christian. Spiritually dead people cannot be Christians.
You are not given to make up your own scriptures under the misguided belief that you are some how helping those you misguide with your false doctrines.
The hour is at hand, every one must face the Truth in totality, accuracy and clarity. There is no path to salvation and deliverance but through Truth, as discerned directly and intuitively from the Spirit though one's own heart or spirit. Not even the law, canons and scriptures count for any thing or matters, when it comes to salvation, deliverance and eternal life.
Letsargue,
this post is an essential letter among the set which now constitute the Gospel of Truth/Gospel of un-circumcision. This is the gospel which will now be published in all lands. The gospel which must be published before the end of the dark age comes is not the Bible. The gospel which must be published in all land before the dark age ends is the compilation of Truth in totality, accuracy and clarity, i.e. devoid of parables and laws and ideas which were given for unaware people. Unaware people are those whose hearts are waxed gross, they were and are, not given to know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16) However there are many things in the KJV N.T. that is given to guide them. These will not be needed in the new age of Truth.
Transformation to the new age of Truth is unfolding before you. It is sad to be sleeping through it all.
The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.
The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!
Paul did it. He must have been under a different plan.
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However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord
You have no authority to say anything to anybody. You don't know what salvation is, or you do know, and try to twist it. Get saved. There is no such thing as "backsliding" in the Body of Christ.
Paul did it. He must have been under a different plan.
I was going to bring this up earlier, however I didnt because Paul would not qualify as having a knowledge of the Holy Spirit before his conversion to Christ, so his persecution of 'christians' would not be 'blasphemy against the HS'. This is why I brought up that Pharisees and Saducees who looked at Jesus and his followers as being in any way 'satanic' (or not of God), could later be converted and repent of their former opinion of Jesus and his ministry. This apparently happened in Paul's case. Paul could only committ blasphemy against the Holy Spirit AFTER he had a true knowledge and experience of the Spirit of God and not before.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 13th, 2012, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick M
Paul did it. He must have been under a different plan.
You have no authority to say anything to anybody. You don't know what salvation is, or you do know, and try to twist it. Get saved. There is no such thing as "backsliding" in the Body of Christ.
You say to someone that they have no authority to do something. Could I ask you who gave you your authority to judge others without knowing who they are?
You say to someone that they have no authority to do something. Could I ask you who gave you your authority to judge others without knowing who they are?
I was going to bring this up earlier, however I didnt because Paul would not qualify as having a knowledge of the Holy Spirit before his conversion to Christ, so his persecution of 'christians' would not be 'blasphemy against the HS'.
I don't think that is relevant. You are not to speak a word against the Holy Spirit. He did. And not in the way of "they are drunk on new wine" in the upper room. That isn't moving against the Spirit. Paul had Stephen executed for preaching by the Holy Spirit. Paul confessess he was a blasphemer and deserves to die.
As a side note, I notice those that can't admit they deserve death at judgment, also don't believe his gospel.
I don't think that is relevant. You are not to speak a word against the Holy Spirit. He did. And not in the way of "they are drunk on new wine" in the upper room. That isn't moving against the Spirit. Paul had Stephen executed for preaching by the Holy Spirit. Paul confessess he was a blasphemer and deserves to die.
As a side note, I notice those that can't admit they deserve death at judgment, also don't believe his gospel.
True, Paul was against the Holy Spirit, but not to his knowledge at the time, for he thought he was doing 'right'. The principle still holds with the assumption that sin against the HS can only be had when one has a true or perfect knowledge of the Spirit, then whole-heartedly rejects it...such having an eternal or final effect of a soul being eternally lost.
Paul had alot of peculiar notions and not everything he says is to be taken as 'thus saith the Lord',...he includes his own 'opinions' in his writings as well. He freely admits his personal revelations are 'his gospel', which I give him props for 'ownership'.
As far as deserving death at some future judgment day, why would I believe that, when I believe in the infinity of God's Love? Love does not condemn or harm. Love saves.
Only if I have convinced myself that I deserve death, might I adopt such a low estimation of myself, but I dont see that as honoring God, since his creation is 'good', and did you forget God's essential nature is Love?
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 14th, 2012, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick M
The Lord Jesus Christ.
Be careful what you say. Jesus never gave you or me or anybody else any authority to judge others' heart and that is what you have been doing judging others' heart. You are not God, therefore, you cannot see what is in a person's heart.
No. I am not God either, neither do you want me to be God, trust me.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 14th, 2012, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by freelight
True, Paul was against the Holy Spirit, but not to his knowledge at the time, for he thought he was doing 'right'. The principle still holds with the assumption that sin against the HS can only be had when one has a true or perfect knowledge of the Spirit, then whole-heartedly rejects it...such having an eternal or final effect of a soul being eternally lost.
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May 11th, 2012, 10:21 PM
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