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May 9th, 2012, 03:59 PM

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Politically speaking, this was a brave move. The gay and gay-friendly community wasn't very likely to vote republican anyway, and this may alienate some undecided, conservative leaning voters.

So kudos to both his political bravery and on making the right move morally.
Well, now he's with the majority, again.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...tion-in-polls/

As you say, the people who oppose gay marriage are much less likely to vote for him. And so he's risking little by doing this, and if he can bait the republicans to attack him for it, he can drive a wedge between the right and independents.

Less brave than clever.





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May 9th, 2012, 04:25 PM

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How do you figure? Gay marriage is currently supported by a very thin majority, such that the 50% potentially lies within the margin of error. Most of the people who support gay marriage were probably going to vote for him anyway, so the middle ground that he has to fight with Romney for is likely tilted against his new position.
It's entirely possible that, come November, this will be seen as what cost him the election. Especially if African-American turnout falls off from what it was in 2008.





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May 9th, 2012, 04:28 PM

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As you say, the people who oppose gay marriage are much less likely to vote for him.
That's actually not true. Demographically speaking, the strongest opponents of same-sex marriage are African-Americans, especially African-American males.





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May 9th, 2012, 04:52 PM

Obama is way behind Romney on this issue. Mitt already made homo marriage a reality in Mass.








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May 9th, 2012, 05:09 PM

I should stay of this because I don't do politics very well, but I'm going to step out side of


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May 9th, 2012, 05:18 PM

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According to polling there is a 3:2 margin in favour of gay marriage among independents.
That's kinda surprising. Good (well, at least from my perspective), but surprising.

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There was also a growing voice among the gay community that viewed Obama as using them for votes;
True enough, and even pretty reasonable from a certain perspective. That said, he's been one of the most tolerant presidents we've ever had.

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this will push their views back in his favour. It could potentially also make gay marriage more of a campaign issue, driving moderate support away from Romney if he comes out strongly against gay issues.
That depends. What does it look like for Romney to come out strongly on an issue? There's a chance he'd go along with gay marriage if it is important enough to independents. And that would certainly be a first.

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The long term trend is towards supporting gay issues, Obama has put himself on the upwards side of that trend.
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May 9th, 2012, 06:28 PM

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[Obama declares support for gay marriage by Rick Klein ABC] "President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.

In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this place, based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters..." Full text: Obama declares support for gay marriage

Homosexuality is: forbidden (Lev. 18:22), considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24), punishment for (Lev. 20:13), unclean (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).


He's just lost like the rest of the lost, no difference!!

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He's just lost like the rest of the lost, no difference!!

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That was a very sensible response.








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[Obama declares support for gay marriage by Rick Klein ABC] "President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.

In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this place, based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters..." Full text: Obama declares support for gay marriage

Homosexuality is: forbidden (Lev. 18:22), considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24), punishment for (Lev. 20:13), unclean (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).
As I'd shown in my "Videos: Attacked by [Homosexual] Tolerance" thread, B. Hussein Obama has some real intellectual Hollyweird heavyweights backing his stance on allowing sodomites to redefine something that has been the foundation of western civilization for 2,000 years:

"Air Force One will feel a tailwind as it heads from Seattle to Southern California on Thursday, as show biz celebrities heaped praise on President Obama for declaring that he supports the right of same-sex couples to marry.

Obama is headed for a $40,000-a-person fundraiser at the home of Oscar-winning actor George Clooney.

The entertainment industry has helped change attitudes in America with depiction of gay and lesbian characters in TV sitcoms and movies. Here is a sampling of celebrity tweets on Obama’s marriage announcement.

–Alec Baldwin: “Obama gets it right on gay marriage. Bravo.

–Kathy Griffin: “POTUS & VPOTUS: turns out gays and lesbians should have SAME rights as rest of the country. Shouldn’t be “3/5ths” citizens.”

–Alicia Keys: “It’s about time.”

–Ricki Lake: “Love is love. Thank you, Mr. President Barack Obama.”

–Kim Kardashian: “Thank You, President Obama: No more living in the past.”

–Russell Simons: “Thank you Mr. President for your support of gay marriage.”

–Tyra Banks: Barack Obama — way 2 stand up 4 love for all.”

–Ellen DeGeneres: “Thank you President Obama for your beautiful & brave words. I’m overwhelmed.”

–Jesse Tyler Ferguson: “With Michelle Obama and JustinMiketa permission I would like to marry President Obama right now.”

–Perez Hilton: “Better late than never.”
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Obama is way behind Romney on this issue. Mitt already made homo marriage a reality in Mass.
You know that I'm far from being a Romney defender, but at least Romney is pretending to stand for traditional marriage.





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Sodom doesn't necessarily mean homosexuality. However homosexuality was the chief sin in the city of Sodom.

And yes I find it very sad that the President of the United States has endorsed same sex marriage. A political ploy to say the least.
It's called Hollywood Donors and George Clooney's $40K-a-plate fundraiser.






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I should stay of this because I don't do politics very well, but I'm going to step out side of


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You know that I'm far from being a Romney defender, but at least Romney is pretending to stand for traditional marriage.
So it gives you comfort that he has the decency to lie to you?








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You know that I'm far from being a Romney defender, but at least Romney is pretending to stand for traditional marriage.
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As I'd shown in my...[v]ideos...
Watch my video clips. They'll make you happier (Pr 29:2).

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