[noguru]

Logical conclusion of this thread:

Chatmaggot is stupid no matter what he learns or teaches.

[chatmaggot]

Just so that I understand everything that has been said. Evolutionist claim that the teaching of evolution has nothing to do with the poor performance of the schools that teach evolution...yet they will claim that the teaching of creation will result in poor school performance.

That is so weird.

California middle school students show very poor results on standardized science tests despite only being taught evolution yet the fear mongering evolutionist claim that it is creationism that results in poor performance.

I get it now!

[noguru]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

Just so that I understand everything that has been said. Evolutionist claim that the teaching of evolution has nothing to do with the poor performance of the schools that teach evolution...yet they will claim that the teaching of creation will result in poor school performance.

That is so weird.

California middle school students show very poor results on standardized science tests despite only being taught evolution yet the fear mongering evolutionist claim that it is creationism that results in poor performance.

I get it now!

No. You don't get it at all.

I know that you have a difficult time understanding subtleties, nuances and complexities, but unfortunately for you life is full of them.

The claim regarding creationism and a comprehensive science education is another one of these. There is a relationship between people that are opposed to teaching/learning evolution and those same peoples desire to teach/learn accurate information about science in general. People who prefer to remain ignorant and are not interested in developing acute critical thinking skills often get exactly what they desire. Is that simple enough for you?

But by all means you are free to coninue to wallow in your own self-imposed ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills. It is a free country after all.

[chatmaggot]

Originally Posted by noguru

There is a relationship between people that are opposed to teaching/learning evolution and those same peoples desire to teach/learn accurate information about science in general.

What is the relationship and what sources do you have to corroborate your statement?

[noguru]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

What is the relationship and what sources do you have to corroborate your statement?

I am certainly not the type to force my opinions on others, so let's reason this out together.

With which part do you disagree, and why?

Do you think that a person's desires and motivation have no effect on their efforts and accomplishments?

Do you think there is a direct linear relationship or an inverse relationship between peoples desires/motivations and the things they chose to do?

I strongly suspect however, that you will avoid a clear review of this subject matter. If you uphold my suspicions this will be one more line of corroborating evidence. If you decide to investigate further we both might learn/teach a little. It's completely up to you.

[Paulos]

Creationism is not science. Science is only about what can be proven through repeated observation and experimentation of the material universe. Creationism, even assuming it is true, is a miraculous event. Science, by definition, does not and cannot deal with the miraculous because the miraculous is beyond the purview of science.

[noguru]

Originally Posted by Paulos

Creationism is not science. Science is only about what can be proven through repeated observation and experimentation of the material universe. Creationism, even assuming it is true, is a miraculous event. Science, by definition, does not and cannot deal with the miraculous because the miraculous is beyond the purview of science.

While I do understand the tangential relationship you are adressing here, I think it might be wise to keep this a little simpler now for Chatmaggot's sake.

[chatmaggot]

Originally Posted by Paulos

Creationism is not science. Science is only about what can be proven through repeated observation and experimentation of the material universe. Creationism, even assuming it is true, is a miraculous event. Science, by definition, does not and cannot deal with the miraculous because the miraculous is beyond the purview of science.

Did you read the article? In a state that does not teach the so-called Pseudo-Science of Creationism the schools are failing at science. But the evolutionist claim that it is the very teaching of creationism that will result in the failing of the schools in science!

[Paulos]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

Did you read the article? In a state that does not teach the so-called Pseudo-Science of Creationism the schools are failing at science. But the evolutionist claim that it is the very teaching of creationism that will result in the failing of the schools in science!

The article is irrelevant to the point that creationism is not science and therefore cannot be taught within the context of science.

[noguru]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

Did you read the article? In a state that does not teach the so-called Pseudo-Science of Creationism the schools are failing at science. But the evolutionist claim that it is the very teaching of creationism that will result in the failing of the schools in science!

Did you ever consider there might be other factors also responsible? Or can you only understand overly simplistic explanations?

[noguru]

Bump

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

What is the relationship and what sources do you have to corroborate your statement?

I am certainly not the type to force my opinions on others, so let's reason this out together.

With which part do you disagree, and why?

Do you think that a person's desires and motivation have no effect on their efforts and accomplishments?

Do you think there is a direct linear relationship or an inverse relationship between peoples desires/motivations and the things they chose to do?

I strongly suspect however, that you will avoid a clear review of this subject matter. If you uphold my suspicions this will be one more line of corroborating evidence. If you decide to investigate further we both might learn/teach a little. It's completely up to you.

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

Did you read the article? In a state that does not teach the so-called Pseudo-Science of Creationism the schools are failing at science. But the evolutionist claim that it is the very teaching of creationism that will result in the failing of the schools in science!

You apparently can't even read your own article. Here are the top states in terms of science proficiency.

1 Massachusetts 44 1 Montana 44 1 North Dakota 44 4 Utah 43 4 Vermont 43 6 Colorado 42 6 Minnesota 42 6 New Hampshire 42 6 South Dakota 42 10 Virginia 40 47 California 22 Nation 31

None of these states permit the teaching of creationism in public schools. It's illegal as it has been considered inherently religious by every court that's taken it up. Alabama however is at the bottom of the heap and the state board of education placed a disclaimer on evolution in its textbooks.

None of the top scoring states have introduced pro-creationist legislation or school board policies. So your very own article shows the opposite correlation to what you're claiming. Again, reality fail.

Note that I am NOT claiming the teaching of evolution or creation alone can damage or repair a school system. Instead the teaching of creationism is often a symptom of poor school standards and a lack of commitment to science education.

[chatmaggot]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Note that I am NOT claiming the teaching of...creation alone can damage or repair a school system.

Finally!

Thank you for being honest.

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by chatmaggot

Finally!

Thank you for being honest.

So how about you be honest and retract your OP?

[The Barbarian]

That will happen any day now...