[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by steko

Yes....I believe, based on what I see in the scripture, that believers are judged before unbelievers.
For instance, my sins were judged two-thousand years ago on the cross when He became sin for me. Therefore there is now no condemnation(Krisis-judgement) for those who are in Christ Jesus(Ro 8:1). I now have peace with GOD through faith in Jesus Christ(Ro 5:1) All that is left to judge(bema-Grk atheletic games) for the believer is how I have served Him as I have yielded to the Spirit since the point of justification.

It seems plain to me that all the dead(unbelievers) are judged after the thousand-year reign of Christ and are judged according to their works(Act 17:31, Rev 20).

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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My question: Were any found written in the book of life.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Will there be any at the judgment seat of Christ who are not believers? Will there be any at the Great White Throne Judgment who are not unbelievers? Will anyone not be judged by the man God has appointed, Jesus Christ?

Why do you believe believers will be judged first?

here you go:

1 Peter 4:17-19 (New International Version)
17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18And,
"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"

19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

here you go:

1 Peter 4:17-19 (New International Version)
17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18And,
"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"

19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

these are not talking about judgment day.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

these are not talking about judgment day.

That's correct.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

I think you are saying unbelievers will be just as immortal as believers.

In the sense of existence, yes. Both saved and unsaved will exist forever, though only the saved will exist with God forever. The lost, by contrast, will exist forever in ethical separation from God (i.e., "hell").



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

In the sense of existence, yes. Both saved and unsaved will exist forever, though only the saved will exist with God forever. The lost, by contrast, will exist forever in ethical separation from God (i.e., "hell").

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Are the lost seeking for immortality in death? I say this because it appears that those who are believers are the only ones seeking immortality.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by meshak

Yes, according to the Bible we all will be resurrected.

Some believe that only saved ones and people who did not have chance to know the Gospel will be resurrected.

It is out of context with love of God. This makes perfect sense to me. This is also SDA's belief.

This is the thing we will never find out until Jesus' judgment day.

You used the following: "It is out of context with love of God."

Is it in the context of God's love that some will go to hell?

Certain God love only some. He love only those who He send to heaven?

It is commonly promoted in that God love everyone. This is very misleading. Seem that God love only those who do His will. indeed only they are chosen by God for heaven, the rest go to hell.

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You seem to imply that one goes to heaven by knowing the bible

One does not go to heaven by knowing the bible.

One goes to heaven by doing the will of God.

The will of God is not delivered in the bible.

What God has prepared for those who love him is called Truth and this is not delivered through physically reading or physical hearing. These are delivered intuitively (i.e. without physical hearing or physically reading) to us by the Spirit through our human hearts or spirits.

The bible is delivered to humans through physical hearing and physical reading. This is not how God let one know what He wills for one.

Flesh is nothing.

Nothing good (certainly nothing from God, like Truth) can be known through the (faculties of) flesh (i.e. nothing good comes to one through physical hearing and physical reading). The bible come to one through physical reading and physical hearing.

This is confiremd unequivocally by Jesus, through Paul, in 1 Corinthians: 2 verse: 9:
But as it is written eye have not seen it nor ears heard it. (therefore it did not come from physically hearing or physically reading any thing) Neither have entered into the hearts the things which God has prepared for those who love him (Neither physically spoken nor physically read things, none of these, can bring into the hearts of man the things which God had prepared for them that love Him)

Therefore the things which God has prepared for those who love him are not delivered though physically spoken and physically written words. Not even Jesus can deliver these things in physically spoken or physically written words. Only the Spirit can make that delivery, directly to us through our own spirit or heart.

But God has revealed it by His Spirit (1 Corinthians: 2 verse: 10).

God sent the Spirit of Jesus/the Holy Ghost into the hearts of those under the laws so that they might become adopted children of God (Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).

Therefore the things which God has prepared for those who love him come to one only from the Spirit through one ones own heart. This is the message in 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14.

Knowing and doing those things, which God had prepared for one, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit from the Spirit of Truth, brings one to heaven.

You can read and hear the bible for all your life. If you do not seek ye first the kingdom of heaven within your own heart (i.e. where Gods sent the Spirit of Jesus) and capture it, you gone through.

You have been very misled. Reading, hearing, knowing and believing the bible will not save and deliver you. This can only bring your onto faith. Faith enables you to awaken to your own heart or spirit. Your heart or spirit is your unseen (none physical) make up. You can have communion with God only through your heart or spirit and not at all through your flesh or physical body. This is why it is so important to awaken to your own heart or spirit. First you must awaken to your own heart or spirit and discerning the Spirit of Jesus within your own heart or spirit. Then you must be led unconditionally, into all your works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for you to pray for, say and do, as (intuitively) discerned within your own heart. You must obey the Spirit, even if you have to transgress the Ten Commandments and all other laws and ideals of scriptures (as Abraham was called to do). This is the passage to glory of God and salvation and deliverance. This is how to gain enlightenment in Christ. Then all things (i.e. all laws, all scriptures, etc.) are thrown out (re. Hebrews: 6 verses: 1 to 6). There is no other passage to glory of God and salvation and deliverance. The kingdom of God is within your own heart. Seek it there first, then all things will be added. Do not try to seek salvation and deliverance, first in the scriptures. The value of Jesus is not in His physical manifestation (i.e. as man on on earth) and/or His physically delivered words. The value of Jesus is in His manifestation in His Spirit (i.e. the Spirit of Truth or the Holy Ghost) and the words which He delivers to humans intuitively from His Spirit to our heart or spirits, in real time, all the time. .

[Angel4Truth]

I dont believe in soul sleep- Jesus was with the theif on the cross that day like he said he would be which already removes that possibility imo , but i think annihilation is a possibility, because of this :

Revelation 20:14

Because death (physical) is the end of life, the second death imo could be the end of spirit life.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

You used the following: "It is out of context with love of God."

Is it in the context of God's love that some will go to hell?

Certain God love only some. He love only those who He send to heaven?

It is commonly promoted in that God love everyone. This is very misleading. Seem that God love only those who do His will. indeed only they are chosen by God for heaven, the rest go to hell.

oooooo0000000oooooo

You seem to imply that one goes to heaven by knowing the bible

One does not go to heaven by knowing the bible.

One goes to heaven by doing the will of God.

The will of God is not delivered in the bible.

What God has prepared for those who love him is called Truth and this is not delivered through physically reading or physical hearing. These are delivered intuitively (i.e. without physical hearing or physically reading) to us by the Spirit through our human hearts or spirits.

The bible is delivered to humans through physical hearing and physical reading. This is not how God let one know what He wills for one.

Flesh is nothing.

Nothing good (certainly nothing from God, like Truth) can be known through the (faculties of) flesh (i.e. nothing good comes to one through physical hearing and physical reading). The bible come to one through physical reading and physical hearing.

This is confiremd unequivocally by Jesus, through Paul, in 1 Corinthians: 2 verse: 9:
But as it is written eye have not seen it nor ears heard it. (therefore it did not come from physically hearing or physically reading any thing) Neither have entered into the hearts the things which God has prepared for those who love him (Neither physically spoken nor physically read things, none of these, can bring into the hearts of man the things which God had prepared for them that love Him)

Therefore the things which God has prepared for those who love him are not delivered though physically spoken and physically written words. Not even Jesus can deliver these things in physically spoken or physically written words. Only the Spirit can make that delivery, directly to us through our own spirit or heart.

But God has revealed it by His Spirit (1 Corinthians: 2 verse: 10).

God sent the Spirit of Jesus/the Holy Ghost into the hearts of those under the laws so that they might become adopted children of God (Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).

Therefore the things which God has prepared for those who love him come to one only from the Spirit through one ones own heart. This is the message in 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14.

Knowing and doing those things, which God had prepared for one, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit from the Spirit of Truth, brings one to heaven.

You can read and hear the bible for all your life. If you do not seek ye first the kingdom of heaven within your own heart (i.e. where Gods sent the Spirit of Jesus) and capture it, you gone through.

this is too lengthy. What is your point.

thanks.

[Nick M]

Originally Posted by steko

Yes....the interpretation of James continues to be a tug-o-war.

Only because thieves want the kingdom for themselves.

[Nick M]

Originally Posted by meshak

I dont have my own belief. I dont have much knowledge.

+1

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

In the sense of existence, yes. Both saved and unsaved will exist forever, though only the saved will exist with God forever. The lost, by contrast, will exist forever in ethical separation from God (i.e., "hell").

So, you are saying the unsaved will not perish, but will have eternal life in hell?

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by genuineoriginal

So, you are saying the unsaved will not perish, but will have eternal life in hell?

Already answered way back in Posts #5 and #32---if you had read them, you wouldn't have needed to ask this question. In any case, the term "perish" has to do with eternal ethical separation from God, or what Scripture calls "spiritual death." Likewise, the term "eternal life" involves eternal ethical communion with God. It has nothing to do with one's existence or being.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Already answered way back in Posts #5 and #32---if you had read them, you wouldn't have needed to ask this question. In any case, the term "perish" has to do with eternal ethical separation from God, or what Scripture calls "spiritual death." Likewise, the term "eternal life" involves eternal ethical communion with God. It has nothing to do with one's existence or being.

Perish and separation are not the same thing, and anyone that thinks they are is a fool.