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The Necessity of Devotion to The Virgin Mary - May 15th, 2012, 07:41 PM

What will I say to the Just Judge when I die? The list of charges against me is a veritable mile long. My offenses are as scarlet as blood. Before so Holy a Judge, scarcely even can a just man be secure (1 Peter 4:18). After all, even the just man falls short (Proverbs 24:16).

What defense, then, do I have?

I can already hear the gavel banging. I can already hear the sentence being pronounced against me: "GUILTY!" I can already see the prison and the just punishments which I have merited for myself prepared and waiting for me.

What hope do I have?

But one: That Just Judge has become a creature and has entered into the process of generation. He took flesh and became man. He has a mother! And He is Supremely Just, Supremely Holy and Supremely Good. Having become a creature, He would never violate a moral law. And He has revealed to us a law which we should obey:

"Honour thy father and thy mother, which is the first commandment with a promise" (Ephesians 6:2).

That Supremely Just Judge became a creature. He became a man. He has a mother. And even after He died, He rose from the dead, and rising from the dead, He kept His human nature. The Just Judge is still united to a creature: He's still a man. He still has a mother.

Therefore, He must honor Her. Whatsoever She asks of Him, He may not deny to Her. He must obey Her.

And do we not have assurances of this very truth in the Scriptures?

Our Lord wanted to remain in the temple. But at the command of His Mother, He obediently went home with Her (Luke 2:48-51).

Our Lord did not think it fit to perform miracles at the wedding of Cana. But He did so at the insistence of Our Lady (John 2:1-10).

If He is obedient to His Mother in so trivial a matter as turning water into wine, and if Our Mother has concern for even so trivial matters...how much more so will Our Mother be for the salvation of our souls? How much more obedient must Christ be when Our Mother asks for our salvation?

If a soul were neck deep in his sins, and he already had one foot deep in Hell...what if Our Mother were to ask Jesus to yank him away from danger and bring him to safety? Would Our Lord refuse? Never! He must honor His Mother.

"No one for whom Mary has once prayed will taste the sorrows of Hell." - St. Anselm

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/glories8.htm

Nothing is more necessary for our salvation than that we should entrust ourselves to the Mother of God!

"Long before him, St. Ignatius the Martyr said this: No sinner can be saved except through your help and favor, O Virgin Mary; for those who would otherwise be damned through God's justice are shown mercy and are saved through your intercession" (same link as above).

If we do not have recourse to Our Blessed Mother, we only can approach God as Just Judge. And God must judge as we justly deserve. We necessarily must be consigned to death, everlasting punishment and Hell.

But thankfully, God became a man. He has a mother. And He must obey Her. He will refuse Her nothing that She asks of Him.

If you are to be saved, you must pray to the Mother of God and ask Her to intercede for you before Our Lord.

"Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary,
that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection,
implored your help or sought your intercession,
was left unaided.
Inspired with this confidence,
I fly to you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother;
to you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful.

O Mother of the Word Incarnate,
despise not my petitions,
but in your mercy hear and answer me.

Amen." (The Memorare prayer).

And one of the best ways to seek out her intercession is by praying the Rosary.

Remember: If She asks, even once, for Our Lord to save a soul...He won't say no.

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May 15th, 2012, 07:49 PM

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What will I say to the Just Judge when I die? The list of charges against me is a veritable mile long. My offenses are as scarlet as blood. Before so Holy a Judge, scarcely even can a just man be secure (1 Peter 4:18). After all, even the just man falls short (Proverbs 24:16).

What defense, then, do I have?

I can already hear the gavel banging. I can already hear the sentence being pronounced against me: "GUILTY!" I can already see the prison and the just punishments which I have merited for myself prepared and waiting for me.

What hope do I have?

But one: That Just Judge has become a creature and has entered into the process of generation. He took flesh and became man. He has a mother! And He is Supremely Just, Supremely Holy and Supremely Good. Having become a creature, He would never violate a moral law. And He has revealed to us a law which we should obey:

"Honour thy father and thy mother, which is the first commandment with a promise" (Ephesians 6:2).

That Supremely Just Judge became a creature. He became a man. He has a mother. And even after He died, He rose from the dead, and rising from the dead, He kept His human nature. The Just Judge is still united to a creature: He's still a man. He still has a mother.

Therefore, He must honor Her. Whatsoever She asks of Him, He may not deny to Her. He must obey Her.

And do we not have assurances of this very truth in the Scriptures?

Our Lord wanted to remain in the temple. But at the command of His Mother, He obediently went home with Her (Luke 2:48-51).

Our Lord did not think it fit to perform miracles at the wedding of Cana. But He did so at the insistence of Our Lady (John 2:1-10).

If He is obedient to His Mother in so trivial a matter as turning water into wine, and if Our Mother has concern for even so trivial matters...how much more so will Our Mother be for the salvation of our souls? How much more obedient must Christ be when Our Mother asks for our salvation?

If a soul were neck deep in his sins, and he already had one foot deep in Hell...what if Our Mother were to ask Jesus to yank him away from danger and bring him to safety? Would Our Lord refuse? Never! He must honor His Mother.

"No one for whom Mary has once prayed will taste the sorrows of Hell." - St. Anselm

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/glories8.htm

Nothing is more necessary for our salvation than that we should entrust ourselves to the Mother of God!

"Long before him, St. Ignatius the Martyr said this: No sinner can be saved except through your help and favor, O Virgin Mary; for those who would otherwise be damned through God's justice are shown mercy and are saved through your intercession" (same link as above).

If we do not have recourse to Our Blessed Mother, we only can approach God as Just Judge. And God must judge as we justly deserve. We necessarily must be consigned to death, everlasting punishment and Hell.

But thankfully, God became a man. He has a mother. And He must obey Her. He will refuse Her nothing that She asks of Him.

You must pray to the Mother of God and ask Her to intercede for you before Our Lord.

"Remember, O most gracious Mother Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to Your protection, implored Your help, or sought Your intercession was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, I fly unto You, O mother of mothers, my Mother. To You I come, before You I stand, imperfect and humble. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in Your mercy, hear and answer me" (The Memorare prayer).

And one of the best ways to seek out her intercession is by praying the Rosary.

Remember: If She asks, even once, for Our Lord to save a soul...He won't say no.
are you serious? We need no one to intercede. We have direct access.

John 15

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are you serious? We need no one to intercede. We have direct access.
At the wedding of Cana, Our Lord initially said no.





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At the wedding of Cana, Our Lord initially said no.
And His final response was?





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And His final response was?
Yes. And only because of the intercession of Our Blessed Mother. Had She not interceded, He presumably would not have performed the miracle.





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Yes. And only because of the intercession of Our Blessed Mother. Had She not interceded, He presumably would not have performed the miracle.
Get real, she asked. There was no intercession involved. Did she even know who He was at this point in time? No. You're taking this a bit far in the tradition of the RCC.





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Nothing is more necessary for our salvation than that we should entrust ourselves to the Mother of God!
thanks for showing us the rcc is just a bunch of idol worship.

I entrust myself to Christ and his finished work on the cross, for my salvation.





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Get real, she asked.
She didn't just ask. When She told Him that there was no wine, He said that it wasn't time for miracles yet. But She told the servants to do whatever He commanded. And because of that, He obeyed Her wish.

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There was no intercession involved.
To intercede is to "go between" two people. She did indeed intercede for the partygoers. Were She not there, He presumably would have said no. But on their behalf, She compelled Our Lord to turn water into wine.

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Did she even know who He was at this point in time?
More learned people than I will have to answer that question.

But I know this: He said no. She commanded Him to do it anyways. And He did it.

And She certainly knows who He is now. And She certainly knows who She is now. She knows that She is the mother of God, and that He'll do whatever She asks.





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She didn't just ask. When She told Him that there was no wine, He said that it wasn't time for miracles yet. But She told the servants to do whatever He commanded. And because of that, He obeyed Her wish.



To intercede is to "go between" two people. She did indeed intercede for the partygoers. Were She not there, He presumably would have said no. But on their behalf, She compelled Our Lord to turn water into wine.



More learned people than I will have to answer that question.

But I know this: He said no. She commanded Him to do it anyways. And He did it.

And She certainly knows who He is now. And She certainly knows who She is now. She knows that She is the mother of God, and that He'll do whatever She asks.
All I'm saying is that I do not believe in idol worship. When praying to Mary the first commandment is broken, no ifs, ands or buts. It is idolatry!





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All I'm saying is that I do not believe in idol worship. When praying to Mary the first commandment is broken, no ifs, ands or buts. It is idolatry!
Idolatry is committed when you elevate the creature to the status of the Creator. I'm not asserting that Our Blessed Mother, being a creature, has been elevated to the status of the Creator. On the contrary: the Creator, through His infinite grace and mercy, has humbled Himself and has assumed a creature. God has become a man.

It is because of this that we are to beseech Our Lady for Her intercession, since Our Lord must grant to Her whatever She asks. Whereas God would be justified in damning us, if Our Blessed Mother asks Our Lord to save us, He will. Even if we were on the fast-track to Hell. He has to. She's His Mother! The commandment says that He must honor her!

Do we break the first commandment by seeking refuge in the intercession of Our Blessed Mother? By no means. In so doing, we recognize Her status as a creature.

It is precisely because She is a creature that She was able to be the Mother of God, and it is precisely that She is a creature that God was able so to elevate Her through His superabundant graces to the status of the Queen of Heaven and Earth.





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Idolatry is committed when you elevate the creature to the status of the Creator. I'm not asserting that Our Blessed Mother, being a creature, has been elevated to the status of the Creator. On the contrary: the Creator, through His infinite grace and mercy, has humbled Himself and has assumed a creature. God has become a man.

It is because of this that we are to beseech Our Lady for Her intercession, since Our Lord must grant to Her whatever She asks. Whereas God would be justified in damning us, if Our Blessed Mother asks Our Lord to save us, He will. Even if we were on the fast-track to Hell. He has to. She's His Mother! The commandment says that He must honor her!

Do we break the first commandment by seeking refuge in the intercession of Our Blessed Mother? By no means. In so doing, we recognize Her status as a creature.

It is precisely because She is a creature that She was able to be the Mother of God, and it is precisely that She is a creature that God was able so to elevate Her through His superabundant graces to the status of the Queen of Heaven and Earth.
Spare me the theatrics. You venerate Mary don't you?





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Of course. If you don't venerate the Mother of God, I doubt very much that you can be saved.
Mary has nothing to do with being saved. Put on you thinking cap and go to Paul's Epistles.





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Mary has nothing to do with being saved. Put on you thinking cap and go to Paul's Epistles.
1. Is Mary the Mother of God?
2. Does one of the 10 commandments stipulate that one must honor his mother?
3. Does it follow from 1 and 2 that Christ must do whatever Our Blessed Mother asks of him?
4. Is Our Blessed Mother able to ask Christ for our salvation?

In any case, what if, perchance, one of the partygoers were to say likewise: "Mary has nothing to do with getting more wine. I'll just go directly to Jesus!"

What would have happened then?





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1. Is Mary the Mother of God?
2. Does one of the 10 commandments stipulate that one must honor his mother?
3. Does it follow from 1 and 2 that Christ must do whatever Our Blessed Mother asks of him?
4. Is Our Blessed Mother able to ask Christ for our salvation?

In any case, what if, perchance, one of the partygoers were to say likewise: "Mary has nothing to do with getting more wine. I'll just go directly to Jesus!"

What would have happened then?


Mary cannot obtain our salvation for us by asking Jesus. You ought to know as well as I that that is a personal choice that can only be made individually.





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