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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 16th, 2012, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
TWO GODS RULE THE UNIVERSE
(Wow.) Go ahead and demonstrate how there could possibly be TWO Supreme Beings.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Here is an authoritative statement from someone
that you might be more familiar with.
Lu 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God,
command this stone that it be made bread.
Lu 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Even the Devil recognized Jesus' Power and Authority.
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Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Lu 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel;
for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
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From Acts
Ac 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord?
And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
Ac 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord?
And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
Ac 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord?
And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
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Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands,
and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Heb. 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith],
Thy throne, O God,[is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is]
the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken
[this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right
hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;. Both..Rev. 3:21 To him
that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also
overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
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Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
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Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
33 The Jews answered him, saying, ...we stone thee ... for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;
that they may be one, even as we are one:
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Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 17th, 2012, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Cruciform, Here is an authoritative statement from someone that you might be more familiar with.
Sorry, nope. None of the biblical text you cite here has anything whatsoever to do with there supposedly being "two Gods." You haven't yet answered my question:
"Go ahead and demonstrate how there could possibly be TWO Supreme Beings."
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 17th, 2012, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Cruciform, Well , since you do NOT accept my Biblical Scriptures.
I accept your scriptures, just not your interpretation and application of those scriptures. Big difference there.
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Show me where it disproves my OP or proves your Belief .
My question---which you haven't yet attempted to answer---was intended to point out the fact that the notion of "two Gods" is internally self-contradictory and intrinsically absurd. In short, the idea is philosophically impossible, given a Judeo-Christian definition of "God."
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Ok, let us see where you stand on this question and if there is any common ground here.
1. Do you Agree that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament ?
2. Do you Agree that Jesus came to Reveal God the Father ?
3. Do you Agree that Moses saw the LORD God on the mountain ?
4. Do you Agree that No Man has seen God the Father except Jesus ?
1. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
2. Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
2. Lu 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
3.Ex 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen
4. Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery
to be equal with God:
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
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Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 17th, 2012, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Ok, let us see where you stand on this question and if there is any common ground here.
1. Do you Agree that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus Christ is the Incarnate God of the Old and New Testaments, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the One God of the Jewish and Christian faiths.
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2. Do you Agree that Jesus came to Reveal God the Father.
Yes. The Second Divine Person of the Trinity (Jesus Christ) was Incarnated as a human being in order to reveal the will and purposes of the Divine Person of the Father, and did so by the power of the Divine Person the Holy Spirit. This trinity of Divine Persons is the One God of the Christian faith.
These are not "three Gods," but the one God worshipped and adored by Christians.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 17th, 2012, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Ok, Cruciform, So you are a Trinitarian.
Yes, as all Christians are, and always have been.
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I have determined by scripture that the Holy Spirit is not a Person but the Mindset of Jesus sent down into our minds. 1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
The above (mis)interpretation is a perfect case study of the utter exegetical chaos and hermeneutical subjectivism of the Protestant assumption of sola scriptura and the supposed "right of private judgment." What a hopeless mess.
In any case, your opinion regarding the Holy Spirit is simply and demonstrably wrong on every level.
Still awaiting your answer:
"Go ahead and demonstrate how there could possibly be TWO Supreme Beings."
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Some people will refer to the verse in the old testament.
Beside Him there is no God.
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Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
Isa 47:10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
Ho 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
You have to ask yourself , why is He saying these things.
And it is clear that the Lord God is Angry at the people for making Idols.
The Lord God created all the People on the Earth.
He is in charge of the World and all the Angels with Him.
He made a Covenant with the Hebrews to be their God alone
and here they are continuously making these Idols and forgetting the Lord their God.
The Lord God is incharge of this Earthly Project and no one else.
He is speaking to those Hebrews who have made Idols to Replace Him.
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Isa 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
18 ¶ To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
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Isa 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal,
and compare me, that we may be like?
6 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
7 They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
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Judeo-Christianity is strictly monotheistic. Omega has been influenced by false teacher/prophet Herbert W. Armstrong. His post is nonsensical, extra/contrabiblical.
Jesus is YHWH, but so is the Father and Holy Spirit (God is triune, not dualistic/polytheistic).
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
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