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I've made a change, that some TOL friends might notice, and others might not have been aware enough in the first place to recognize...
Right now, I just don't know about God. I think I could label myself as a Deist or something, because I do believe in and have faith in a higher power, but recently, I'm more overwhelmed with my not knowing.
It's had a lot to do with TOL... Conversations, squabbles, differences that just don't make sense to me.
I hope that folks and freinds will take it in stride; I'm absolutely open to conversation.
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
Don't you know
That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
I've made a change, that some TOL friends might notice, and others might not have been aware enough in the first place to recognize...
Right now, I just don't know about God. I think I could label myself as a Deist or something, because I do believe in and have faith in a higher power, but recently, I'm more overwhelmed with my not knowing.
It's had a lot to do with TOL... Conversations, squabbles, differences that just don't make sense to me.
I hope that folks and freinds will take it in stride; I'm absolutely open to conversation.
I don't know what to tell you...I'm sorry that you find yourself in the place you're occupying now. A number of years ago I was reasonably confident that the world was a miracle of chance, that the idea of God was an understandable bit of wishcraft and projection and that everything that mattered was our invention...then I met God, was interrupted in my journey to crafting purpose by purpose itself. Not the idea of God, not the need for God, but the actuality of Him.
I can't impress that experience onto you, can't provide it for you or I would. All I can tell you is that I have never, in the years following had a moment's doubt either as to what constituted that experience or in the God who met me and continues to walk with me...
I'm as sorry to hear this news as if someone I loved had died. And I will be petitioning God for your deliverance from the grips of this uncertainty. I am certain that He loves you and can bring you through any adversity, even the sort of your own fashioning.
Thanks TH. I really appreciate that, and I absolutely consider it.
I actually don't feel very conflicted about my state-of-mind, state of belief/non-belief. I dont feel disturbed by it. It's a very clear not knowing.
I don't know plenty of things.
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
Don't you know
That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
That's a great question. Small things, that don't really matter all that much in the big scheme of things. I do believe in absolute morals, but I don't understand all of my lines, and I've realized that I'm not clear on where I believe they come from.
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
Don't you know
That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
Slogan/motto:
Don't look back; something may be gaining on you.
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May 17th, 2012, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by zoo22
That's a great question. Small things, that don't really matter all that much in the big scheme of things. I do believe in absolute morals, but I don't understand all of my lines, and I've realized that I'm not clear on where I believe they come from.
1 Corinthians 13:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Oh, and in regards to the OP: It's cool.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
Slogan/motto:
Don't look back; something may be gaining on you.
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May 17th, 2012, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chrysostom
post something stupid on the hottest TOL thread
It works for me.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
Slogan/motto:
Success is a journey, not a destination. So stop running.
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May 17th, 2012, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by zoo22
I've made a change, that some TOL friends might notice, and others might not have been aware enough in the first place to recognize...
Right now, I just don't know about God. I think I could label myself as a Deist or something, because I do believe in and have faith in a higher power, but recently, I'm more overwhelmed with my not knowing.
It's had a lot to do with TOL... Conversations, squabbles, differences that just don't make sense to me.
I hope that folks and freinds will take it in stride; I'm absolutely open to conversation.
I can appreciate your position. I hope and pray the best for you in this new sea. And perhaps this one will toss you back to your old sea some day.
I came across a quote just yesterday that I found interesting. Don't know if it will mean anything to you or not.....
"Doubts are the ants in the pants that keep faith moving." - Frederick Beuchner
Slogan/motto:
Try to be civil in the face of incivility. This is a test.
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May 17th, 2012, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by zoo22
I've made a change, that some TOL friends might notice, and others might not have been aware enough in the first place to recognize...
Right now, I just don't know about God. I think I could label myself as a Deist or something, because I do believe in and have faith in a higher power, but recently, I'm more overwhelmed with my not knowing.
It's had a lot to do with TOL... Conversations, squabbles, differences that just don't make sense to me.
I hope that folks and freinds will take it in stride; I'm absolutely open to conversation.
Whenever I enter a Twilight zone, for whatever reason, I wait it out. It does pass.
I can know some things by logic, some things by intuition and some things by faith. A thinking person will have times when the bleakness of doubt creeps in like spreading mildew. Then, sometimes, it is helpful to reread those authors who have had meaning for me in the past. I reread the Acts of the Apostles and C. S. Lewis for starters.
Sometimes a poem or a tune will see me through.
I so value your input on TOL and I do consider myself to be your friend. So I am pulling for you. I'm praying.
Slogan/motto:
Try to be civil in the face of incivility. This is a test.
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May 17th, 2012, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by zoo22
That's a great question. Small things, that don't really matter all that much in the big scheme of things. I do believe in absolute morals, but I don't understand all of my lines, and I've realized that I'm not clear on where I believe they come from.
There was a time in my life when I was responsible for the welfare and care of my five children.
I had a long dark night of the soul but who would care for my children if I should lose my way?
At that time I came across the idea of "living in day tight compartments". I can get through this day because I must get through this day.
Somehow I had lost my own value to myself. But I was valuable/ necessary for my children.
In that dark place I eventually learned where my value originated.
Your necessities may be different from mine.
I pray you keep on and accept that changes, while sometimes painful, sometimes dreadful are the way in which we grow.
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