[greentwiga]

This is a curious thread. Jannie is right that God has a very high opinion about living by the commandments. In fact, to go to heaven, God says we must obey every single one. Then He says there is none righteous, no not one (Ps 14) Nobody is going to heaven by obeying the commandments. Jesus even says unless your righteousness is greater than the Pharisees ... (Matt 5)
I ask myself, how can it be higher? The answer is Love. Imagine You tell a child that it is saturday and he must do his chores. He does them but it is not good enough, so you say again. He learns to do the minimal amount to satisfy you. Now imagine you say, "It is your mom's birthday tomorrow. We need to clean and decorate the livingroom. The child who loves his mom cleans far better than the saturday law demanded, and then for love of mom, adds much more.
There is another benefit to living by love, and that is if you are living by commandments, you are thinking about yourself. This leads to Pharisees desiring to remain pure, walking on the other side of the road, or not healing on the sabbath (yes saturday.) Jesus taught sabbath breaking when it was done to help another. Living by Love means living so much more righteously than obeying all the commands. This is the secret to why we can't earn our way into heaven, but it is given to us, and as a love response, we leave the commandments in the dust, obeying them as we focus on God's Love for everyone else.

[Angel4Truth]

Originally Posted by greentwiga

This is a curious thread. Jannie is right that God has a very high opinion about living by the commandments. In fact, to go to heaven, God says we must obey every single one. Then He says there is none righteous, no not one (Ps 14) Nobody is going to heaven by obeying the commandments. Jesus even says unless your righteousness is greater than the Pharisees ... (Matt 5)
I ask myself, how can it be higher? The answer is Love. Imagine You tell a child that it is saturday and he must do his chores. He does them but it is not good enough, so you say again. He learns to do the minimal amount to satisfy you. Now imagine you say, "It is your mom's birthday tomorrow. We need to clean and decorate the livingroom. The child who loves his mom cleans far better than the saturday law demanded, and then for love of mom, adds much more.
There is another benefit to living by love, and that is if you are living by commandments, you are thinking about yourself. This leads to Pharisees desiring to remain pure, walking on the other side of the road, or not healing on the sabbath (yes saturday.) Jesus taught sabbath breaking when it was done to help another. Living by Love means living so much more righteously than obeying all the commands. This is the secret to why we can't earn our way into heaven, but it is given to us, and as a love response, we leave the commandments in the dust, obeying them as we focus on God's Love for everyone else.

Its given to us through Christ, all the love in the world wont save you if you do not have Him.

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by keypurr

I was a Lutheran also, but show me where in scripture where going to church on Sunday is a commandment.

You have been duped friend, its not in the commandments.

Peace

Church is a commandment, "Remember the sabath day and Keep it Holy.. Jesus is the author!!!! Most Christians world wide go to church on Sunday, to worship Christ .

What planet are you from.?

Jannie

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by Angel4Truth

Its given to us through Christ, all the love in the world wont save you if you do not have Him.

Faith is dead without works, JAMES

And works is dead without faith, you cannot seperate them.

True faith means to abide and remain steadfast in Christ commandments.



Psalms 119:115
Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the COMMANDMENTS of my God.



John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by HisServant

It's not absurd at all.. the Sabbath is Saturday (always has been).

[b]Do you even know why Christians meet on Sundays?[/b]

Yes because that is the day Christ rose from the dead, Most if not all Christians world-wide go to church on Sundays, also this is a commandment of God.,we know that we are saved by grace and not works, but conduct plays a part in our eternal destination.

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by Angel4Truth

Its given to us through Christ, all the love in the world wont save you if you do not have Him.

How can you have him if you dont love him, how can you be saved if you dont abide and follow him.We know that we are saved by grace and not works, but conduct plays a part in our eternal destination.

Faith without works is dead.. JAMES

Work without faith is also dead.

The above comes from loving Jesus Christ more than our-selves.

Jannie

[meshak]

Originally Posted by jannie1967

How can you call yourself a Christian and Teach Faith in Christ does NOT include his commandments, Why are they there?? and for Whom. ?? Its disturbing how one
can call himself a Christian yet not quote or abide in The Lords words. The whole new Testament tells us consequences if we do not keep his commandments.
Jannie

Jesus' teachings are not popular to the world because He expects His followers to live for Him by keep super moral high standards.

Most of us are not interested in changing our lives for Jesus. so they come up with "grace only" or "faith only" doctrines to deny His commandments.

You should have seen my threads how they react against Jesus' messages. Of course they are saying they dont reject Jesus; they just reject my messages. They are clever.

This is the reality of mainstream church community. And they are misrepresenting Jesus to the world. It is plain mocking God and Jesus.

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by Bean Counter

It was a serious question Jannie. I'm trying to find out if you are a hypocrite.

So do you want to answer the question?

What non-denominationals do is try to misquote paul and the old convenant laws, etc and twist it somehow as to suggest we do NOT have keep Gods commandments, its insane, its not biblical and Faith without works is dead, just as works without faith is dead.. James is the author. If you love me you keep my commandments, JESUS is the author and I have hundreds more.We know that we are saved by grace and not works, but conduct plays a part in our eternal destination. Sorry to say, but Jesus taught us this.

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by meshak

Jesus' teachings are not popular to the world because He expects His followers to live for Him by keep super moral high standards.

Most of us are not interested in changing our lives for Jesus. so they come up with "grace only" or "faith only" doctrines to deny His commandments.

You should have seen my threads how they react against Jesus' messages. Of course they are saying they dont reject Jesus; they just reject my messages. They are clever.

This is the reality of mainstream church community. And they are misrepresenting Jesus to the world. It is plain mocking God and Jesus.

Its the devils work, please know who is really behind this kind of teaching and or preaching. Who in the name of God, teaches others to deny Gods commandments. Faith saves us , yes, however true faith in Christ means we follow his commandments.
We know that we are saved by grace and not works, but conduct plays a part in our eternal destination.

This is how they work- They misquote Paul, Romans Gals. These two specific books and cherry pick some verses that they twist and distort how they should not keep Gods commandments.

They fail to see all the consequences for believers if they preach and teach to deny Gods commandments as the whole NT is just about that. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc, they never quote Christ words and requirements. They insist on misquoted a few verses from Paul their Master.

Works without faith is dead - Author James KJB
Its to insane to go on . Its so simple, however they want to live their way instead of how Christ asked us to live in Faith

Jannie

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by greentwiga

This is a curious thread. Jannie is right that God has a very high opinion about living by the commandments. In fact, to go to heaven, God says we must obey every single one. Then He says there is none righteous, no not one (Ps 14) Nobody is going to heaven by obeying the commandments. Jesus even says unless your righteousness is greater than the Pharisees ... (Matt 5)
I ask myself, how can it be higher? The answer is Love. Imagine You tell a child that it is saturday and he must do his chores. He does them but it is not good enough, so you say again. He learns to do the minimal amount to satisfy you. Now imagine you say, "It is your mom's birthday tomorrow. We need to clean and decorate the livingroom. The child who loves his mom cleans far better than the saturday law demanded, and then for love of mom, adds much more.
There is another benefit to living by love, and that is if you are living by commandments, you are thinking about yourself. This leads to Pharisees desiring to remain pure, walking on the other side of the road, or not healing on the sabbath (yes saturday.) Jesus taught sabbath breaking when it was done to help another. Living by Love means living so much more righteously than obeying all the commands. This is the secret to why we can't earn our way into heaven, but it is given to us, and as a love response, we leave the commandments in the dust, obeying them as we focus on God's Love for everyone else.

Ok, then why are they there? Who are they For. Why did Jesus himself tell us to obey the commandments, Faith requires love and abiding in Gods words.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the COMMANDMENTS of men.



Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Matthew 22:40
On these two COMMANDMENTS hang all the law and the prophets.



Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the COMMANDMENTS of men.



Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.



Mark 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the COMMANDMENTS [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:



Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the COMMANDMENTS and ordinances of the Lord blameless.



Luke 18:20
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.



John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.



John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.



John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

[jannie1967]

Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the COMMANDMENTS of men.



Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.



Mark 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the COMMANDMENTS [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:



Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the COMMANDMENTS and ordinances of the Lord blameless.



Luke 18:20
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.



John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.



John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.



John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.






I have 217 verses on keeping Gods commandments and what happens if a Christian does Not.
Shall I copy and Paste them from the Protestant bible.

[jannie1967]

Originally Posted by Lon

Wow. I have no idea how you got this from my response. At all. Can you elaborate?

Lets see, If you dont go to church or follow Gods commandments are you still saved. Yes or No.? that simple

Thank you

Jannie

[jannie1967]

PAUL



II Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Why do we need to examine ourselves, if it is a once-for-all done deal? Let us heed the warnings of scripture and keep close watch on our eternal souls!

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor

Truly we are justified by faith, but that faith is not a license to sin. For if we go back to our old way of life, we become a transgressor (one who breaks the laws of God). Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace

The possibility of falling from grace exists, and mere human good works are equally dangerous if trusted upon for righteousness.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God

Remember this letter is written to Galatian believers (just like the Corinthians who received a similar warning). He is emphatically renouncing the teaching that a person can live an immoral lifestyle, and float through the "pearly gates".

[jannie1967]

this is from a person who believed in Eternal Security, I copied and pasted it
with its link.

If a person is saved but then two years later they

1. Reject Jesus Christ
2. Become a Satan worshipper
3. Commit sins worse than Adolph Hitler
4. Live this way for the next 50 years
5. They go to their grave blaspheming God and declaring their hatred for Him and also declare their love and loyalty to Satan.

I asked if they thought this hypothetical person was still saved and their answer was yes they are still saved. I knew then that the OSAS teachers have rejected all aspects of Biblical thinking. The Baptist Church I belonged to took a vote and I was unanimously voted out of fellowship for the heretical belief that a Christian can fall away and be eternally lost. I am at the point now where I find the OSAS teaching so repulsive that I cannot even listen to an OSAS teacher no matter what they are talking about. Everything they say is tainted by their OSAS doctrine. Additionally, because they do not believe the Christian is in a real battle, they are more like game show hosts who are trying to keep their audience entertained and interested in their show. Without the realization that we are in a real battle for our souls there is no incentive to take the Christian life seriously. Because no matter what they do they think in the end they’ll be in heaven. This deception greatly troubles me. Sin is more deadly and more deceptive then most Christians even begin to understand. Sin deludes our thinking. Sin can make us imagine that we really aren’t straying that far from Jesus. To me this is the most dangerous aspect of OSAS. If we do not think we can fall away then our fear of sin will be greatly diminished. Once our fear of sin is diminished we can be easily led down a path that takes us further and further away from God. Sin will keep us from seeing how far off the path we have gone. We will of course be aware of the fact we have gotten off the path but we will not be afraid because we think we can’t lose our salvation. Sin will delude us into thinking that we have only strayed a little when in fact we are being systematically led further and further away from God and the truth.

This deadly two punch combination of (1) No fear of falling away to our eternal destruction; and (2) The deceptive power of sin leading us further and further away from God will lead us so far away from God and harden our hearts so much that eventually we have very little chance of ever repenting and getting back on the narrow road that leads to eternal life.

We will have rejected Jesus Christ and the gospel and yet continue to think we are still Christians on our way to heaven.

All of this makes me very sad. People that I know who honestly love God and sincerely want to follow Jesus have been disarmed by this false teaching. They don’t know there is a real battle going on. Without knowing there is a real battle going on it makes Satan’s job 1000 times easier. At some point in their life sin may tempt them. When this happens it will be so much easier for them to succumb to it. Many Christians sincerely desire to live a Godly life. However, we also live in the flesh so will always face temptation. Understanding the dangers of allowing sin to come into our life is essential to keeping the flesh under control. When we do not fear sin the Holy Spirit is unable to convict us of sin and the need to repent. At a weak moment in our life sin can grab us and slowly lead us further and further away from God. Sadly, we probably won’t even know that this is happening because we have shut down the Holy Spirit’s ability to convict us of our sin and the need to repent and get back on the right path.

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jeff.htm

[meshak]

Originally Posted by jannie1967

Lets see, If you dont go to church or follow Gods commandments are you still saved. Yes or No.? that simple

Thank you

Jannie

I dont go to church building but my family is my church. And I also serve Jesus by having my own mission for my Lord and my family is supporting me for that.

And of course we strive to be obedient to His commandments in our lives.