toldailytopic: Objectively, when does a person become a person? At conception? Or at
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May 18th, 2012, 08:50 AM
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toldailytopic: Objectively, when does a person become a person? At conception? Or at some other point after conception?
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at conception it is a living organism, but for me when the heart starts beating i consider it a person.
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May 18th, 2012, 09:24 AM
At the very moment of conception.
Without question.
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May 18th, 2012, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight
A person is....
- Alive
- Human
- Unique DNA
Therefore, at the moment of conception we have a living human with unique DNA.
That is objective evidence.
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Why does a heart beat or brain activity equal a person?
I'm not saying it "equals" a person, but it's as good a rule of thumb for establishing the beginning of personhood as I can think of.
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When a person is in surgery and the doctors stop their heart to operate, are they no longer a person?
No. Heart activity or brain waves is the marker for the onset/existence of personhood, as far as I'm concerned. If we need a litmus test, this one seems undeniable, clean cut, and easy to confirm.
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A better question I think, though, would be: what is the motivation behind trying to deny that a child is truly a person at conception?
Of course, the answer is that they need to be able to deny the humanity of the child so that they can kill it and be free of the obligations of parenthood. If ever there was an indication of the level of sin and depravity America has reached: this is it.
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Why does a heart beat or brain activity equal a person?
When a person is in surgery and the doctors stop their heart to operate, are they no longer a person?
I'm just trying to figure out your rationale.
until the heart starts beating and the brain starts to function i don't consider life to be "intelligent".....but rather a bunch of cells dividing which is nothing more than a bunch of cells dividing.
Orthodoxy is just the Tyranny of the Majority, a Spiritual Despotism where accepted doctrine is Sacred, Untouchable self-evident truth no matter how absurd it may be.
A better question I think, though, would be: what is the motivation behind trying to deny that a child is truly a person at conception?
Of course, the answer is that they need to be able to deny the humanity of the child so that they can kill it and be free of the obligations of parenthood. If ever there was an indication of the level of sin and depravity America has reached: this is it.
I'd disagree. There are other (legitimate) reasons to question personhood's onset right at conception. I don't want the door open to denying someone contraception, for example.
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.
No. Heart activity or brain waves is the marker for the onset/existence of personhood, as far as I'm concerned. If we need a litmus test, this one seems undeniable, clean cut, and easy to confirm.
If it's easy to confirm, then please confirm it for me.
What's your rationale?
After all... I gave you the example of the adult having heart surgery and his heart is stopped so the doctors can perform the surgery. Under your logic, the patient is no longer a person while his heart is not beating.
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