The Church is both the body and the bride of Christ
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The Church is both the body and the bride of Christ -
May 21st, 2012, 12:36 AM
Paul says it plainly...
1) The Church is the body of Christ:
Romans 12:5
so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
1 Corinthians 10:17
For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
Colossians 1:18
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:24
I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
2) The Church is the bride of Christ:
Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
2 Corinthians 11:2
For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
Ephesians 5:31–32
For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
There are some who would try to convolute the meanings of "the body" and "the bride" of Christ into separate entities (i.e., the MAD assertion that the body of Christ is the Church and the bride of Christ is national Israel), but as we can see from the above passages, the Church is both the body and the bride of Christ.
Last edited by Paulos; May 21st, 2012 at 01:04 AM.
Romans 12:5
so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
1 Corinthians 10:17
For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
Colossians 1:18
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:24
I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
2) The Church is the bride of Christ:
Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
2 Corinthians 11:2
For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
Ephesians 5:31–32
For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
There are some who would try to convolute the meanings of "the body" and "the bride" of Christ into separate entities (i.e., the MAD assertion that the body of Christ is the Church and the bride of Christ is national Israel), but as we can see from the above passages, the Church is both the body and the bride of Christ.
Ephesians 5:28-30
So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones (cf. Genesis 2:24 and Mark 10:7-8).
So if what the church really is, is something that can with equal truth be likened to a man's body and to a man's wife, what this tells us is that the true nature of the church is a major mystery.
Because a man's body and a man's wife are pretty different concepts. There is alot of range between those two ideas.
Slogan/motto:
Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
Reputation:
May 21st, 2012, 06:00 AM
Rev 21:9 (KJV), the Lamb's wife
Gal 4:26 (KJV), the mother of us all
So, the church is a city, and the church is it's own mother?
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Romans 12:5
so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
1 Corinthians 10:17
For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
Colossians 1:18
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:24
I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
2) The Church is the bride of Christ:
Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
2 Corinthians 11:2
For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
Ephesians 5:31–32
For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
There are some who would try to convolute the meanings of "the body" and "the bride" of Christ into separate entities (i.e., the MAD assertion that the body of Christ is the Church and the bride of Christ is national Israel), but as we can see from the above passages, the Church is both the body and the bride of Christ.
Mary, her relationship to Joseph, before she was officially married to him and her nurturing of Jesus, is the pattern for the Church.
[quote=Paulos;302) The Church is the bride of Christ:
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Hi , and here is the bad news concerening Rom 7:4 and just because the KJV uses " marriage " does not make it right , abd here , the Translator screwed up , by translating '
GINOMAI as marriage when " GINOMAI , means to become , G1096
GAMOS , means " marriage " , where the translators did a BAD .
This is how it should read in Rom 7:4 , So , my brethren , you were also were made dead to the Law 9 ( of Moses ) by means of the Body of Christ , in order for you to ( leave the Law of Moses ) BECOME /GINOMAI to ANOTHER ( which is Christ ) to the One having been raised from the dead , in oder that we should bear fruit to God ,
The word " MARRIAGE " is not used here at all , and tranlations are not INSPIRED , dan p
He hat hath the BRIDE is the Bridegroom , but the friend of the Bridegroom , which standth and hearth Him , rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice , this my joy therefore is fulfilled .
This is John writing to the Nation of Jews and not to Gentiles .
I am AMUSED that you are trying to invoke Paul in Rom 7:4 when Paul never speaks as the Body of Christ being a BRIDEGROOM as we are already " in Christ " , dan p
He hat hath the BRIDE is the Bridegroom , but the friend of the Bridegroom , which standth and hearth Him , rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice , this my joy therefore is fulfilled .
This is John writing to the Nation of Jews and not to Gentiles .
I am AMUSED that you are trying to invoke Paul in Rom 7:4 when Paul never speaks as the Body of Christ being a BRIDEGROOM as we are already " in Christ " , dan p
please clarify.
I'm really not clear about what you are trying to say. What does this have to say about the nature of the church? Clearly the "church" is the entire people of God; gentiles, Jews, righteous pagans and anyone else God deems "saved".
Rev 21:9 (KJV), the Lamb's wife
Gal 4:26 (KJV), the mother of us all
So, the church is a city, and the church is it's own mother?
Can you explain how it is that the Lamb's wife is a city?
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Originally Posted by DAN P
Hi , and here is the bad news concerening Rom 7:4 and just because the KJV uses " marriage " does not make it right , abd here , the Translator screwed up , by translating '
GINOMAI as marriage when " GINOMAI , means to become , G1096
...
The word " MARRIAGE " is not used here at all , and tranlations are not INSPIRED , dan p
SaulToPaul cannot use that argument, as he is KJV-only...
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Originally Posted by DAN P
Hi and why not explain to all John 3:29 ??
He hat hath the BRIDE is the Bridegroom , but the friend of the Bridegroom , which standth and hearth Him , rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice , this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
This is John writing to the Nation of Jews and not to Gentiles.
John the Baptist was under the Old Covenant (Matthew 11:11, 11:13-14, Luke 16:16), but the gospel of John was written for the entire world (John 3:16, 20:30-31).
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Originally Posted by DAN P
I am AMUSED that you are trying to invoke Paul in Rom 7:4 when Paul never speaks as the Body of Christ being a BRIDEGROOM as we are already " in Christ " , dan p
I am AMUSED that you thought I referred to the body of Christ as being a BRIDEGROOM. Never wrote that. Wrote that the Church is both the body of Christ and the bride of Christ. Go back and re-read the first post.
I'm really not clear about what you are trying to say. What does this have to say about the nature of the church? Clearly the "church" is the entire people of God; gentiles, Jews, righteous pagans and anyone else God deems "saved".
Mere salvation notwithstanding, easy with all that inclusiveness, bro. The Church is a "peculiar" people, "a holy nation" I don't believe includes all you posit.
Slogan/motto:
Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
Reputation:
May 22nd, 2012, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Paulos
Can you explain how it is that the Lamb's wife is a city?
Rev 21:9 (KJV)
What's to explain, just believe it.
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Rev 21:9 (KJV), the Lamb's wife
Gal 4:26 (KJV), the mother of us all
So, the church is a city, and the church is it's own mother?
The New Jerusalem is comprised of the Church throughout all ages (including Old Testament saints). The universal Church transmits the Gospel from one generation to the next, hence it is called our mother (Gal 4:26). As Jesus said:
Matthew 12:48-50
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
756 "Often, too, the Church is called the building of God. The Lord compared himself to the stone which the builders rejected, but which was made into the corner-stone. On this foundation the Church is built by the apostles and from it the Church receives solidity and unity. This edifice has many names to describe it: the house of God in which his family dwells; the household of God in the Spirit; the dwelling-place of God among men; and, especially, the holy temple. This temple, symbolized in places of worship built out of stone, is praised by the Fathers and, not without reason, is compared in the liturgy to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem. As living stones we here on earth are built into it. It is this holy city that is seen by John as it comes down out of heaven from God when the world is made anew, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
757 "The Church, further, which is called 'that Jerusalem which is above' and 'our mother', is described as the spotless spouse of the spotless lamb. It is she whom Christ 'loved and for whom he delivered himself up that he might sanctify her.' It is she whom he unites to himself by an unbreakable alliance, and whom he constantly 'nourishes and cherishes.'"
2016 The children of our holy mother the Church rightly hope for the grace of final perseverance and the recompense of God their Father for the good works accomplished with his grace in communion with Jesus. Keeping the same rule of life, believers share the "blessed hope" of those whom the divine mercy gathers into the "holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
Can you explain how it is that the Lamb's wife is a city?
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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
What's to explain, just believe it.
Christ dwells within the believer (John 15:5; Colossians 1:27) and His palpable Presence permeates the citizens and even the structure and atmosphere of the New Jerusalem. Hence, it can be said that the New Jerusalem is His bride, because He has united Himself to it (Ephesians 5:25-27, 5:31–32; Revelation 21:2).
To recap:
1) The Church is the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18, 1:24).
2) The Church is the bride of Christ (Romans 7:4; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:25-27, 5:29, 5:31–32; Revelation 19:7).
3) The Church is the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2, 21:9-10, 22:17).
4) The Church is "the mother of us all" (Matthew 12:48-50; Galatians 4:26; Revelation 12:17).
Last edited by Paulos; May 28th, 2012 at 11:08 PM.
There is no "Bride of Christ." The Bible doesn't use that phrase, and neither should we. The closest we have are metaphors and similes using marriage as an illustration of what are relationship with Christ is to be. That's not the same thing.
There is no "Bride of Christ." The Bible doesn't use that phrase, and neither should we. The closest we have are metaphors and similes using marriage as an illustration of what are relationship with Christ is to be. That's not the same thing.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (paragraph 796) elaborates:
The unity of Christ and the Church, head and members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the two within a personal relationship. This aspect is often expressed by the image of bridegroom and bride. The theme of Christ as Bridegroom of the Church was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist (Jn 3:29). The Lord referred to himself as the "bridegroom" (Mk 2:19). The Apostle speaks of the whole Church and of each of the faithful, members of his Body, as a bride "betrothed" to Christ the Lord so as to become but one spirit with him (Mt 22:1-14; 25:1-13; 1 Cor 6:15-17; 2 Cor 11:2). The Church is the spotless bride of the spotless Lamb (Rev 22:17; Eph 1:4; 5:27). "Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her" (Eph 5:25-26). He has joined her with himself in an everlasting covenant and never stops caring for her as for his own body (Eph 5:29)...
The Catechism goes on to quote St. Augustine as follows:
This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex persona capitis) and in his role as body (ex persona corporis). What does this mean? "The two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church" (Eph 5:31-32). And the Lord himself says in the Gospel: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mt 19:6). They are, in fact, two different persons, yet they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself "bride".
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