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The Word (Logos) [the Second Person of the Trinity] was sent by Father God,
and became flesh (Jesus). John 1:14
At this point in time, this ONE born of Mary began being CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God",
as per the instructions of Gabriel. Luke 1:31-35
When Jesus was on earth, was the Word (Logos) NO longer allowed to speak???
When Jesus said things such as:
"Gee, I was with the Father (and shared His glory) for the last trillion years!"
... why cannot this actually be the Word (Logos) talking?
When Jesus walked the earth, the "fully God" part of Him was NOT Jesus, it was the
Word (Logos) ... because it was the Word (Logos) who became Jesus in da foist place.
I just don't see an eternal Jesus coming down to earth and becoming flesh (Jesus).
No, the Word (Logos) came down and became flesh (Jesus).
I see "Jesus" and "the Son of God" as being only names/titles.
But, after the Word (Logos) was given these 2 additional names,
it was kosher to say they were equivalent to Him, i.e. they meant the same as Him
... on earth, and then later in Heaven (including now).
After Jesus' birth, as far as names/titles go ... the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God
Good Luck following this, boys and girls!
This'll sure separate the wheat from the chaff.
God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them! "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14 It always was God's intention that His NT church be the ONLY model for all future churches!
The Word (Logos) [the Second Person of the Trinity] was sent by Father God,
and became flesh (Jesus). John 1:14
At this point in time, this ONE born of Mary began being CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God",
as per the instructions of Gabriel. Luke 1:31-35
When Jesus was on earth, was the Word (Logos) NO longer allowed to speak???
When Jesus said things such as:
"Gee, I was with the Father (and shared His glory) for the last trillion years!"
... why cannot this actually be the Word (Logos) talking?
When Jesus walked the earth, the "fully God" part of Him was NOT Jesus, it was the
Word (Logos) ... because it was the Word (Logos) who became Jesus in da foist place.
I just don't see an eternal Jesus coming down to earth and becoming flesh (Jesus).
No, the Word (Logos) came down and became flesh (Jesus).
I see "Jesus" and "the Son of God" as being only names/titles.
But, after the Word (Logos) was given these 2 additional names,
it was kosher to say they were equivalent to Him, i.e. they meant the same as Him
... on earth, and then later in Heaven (including now).
After Jesus' birth, as far as names/titles go ... the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God
Good Luck following this, boys and girls!
This'll sure separate the wheat from the chaff.
Hmm The Word (the Logos) is the Second Person of Trinity <<< Scripture reference?
Sorry, ole Pal, I have none ... it's just IMO.
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God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them! "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14 It always was God's intention that His NT church be the ONLY model for all future churches!
Jesus was the LOGOS and Word and Jehovah.
Jesus was only a human being when he was on Earth.
How long yu bin on dis board?
Did yu forget all of the 70+ Scripture verses that teach
Jesus is God, is equal to the Father, was the Creator, etc.?
P.S. I lived in TO until age 35.
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God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them! "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14 It always was God's intention that His NT church be the ONLY model for all future churches!
I think it’s time to put this topic to rest … as I see it as an unimportant technicality.
I hope this last attempt will further clarify to some people what I’ve been saying.
The Word (Logos) was God, and He was with Father God from the beginning … John 1:1.
The Word (Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14.
IMO, the Word (Logos) was the Second Person of the Trinity.
Gabriel instructed: “that Holy One who is to be born”
will be CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God" … Luke 1:31,35.
So, from Jesus’ birth onwards … the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God
The point is …
Both of these NAMES: "Jesus" and "the Son of God" originated at the time of Jesus’ birth.
These NAMES were never used before Jesus’ birth, i.e. no Scriptures prove that they were.
But, it certainly IS Scriptural to say that Jesus, the Son of God, is in Heaven now.
Meanwhile, this man's a-gonna journey off into da sunset.
God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them! "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14 It always was God's intention that His NT church be the ONLY model for all future churches!
I think it’s time to put this topic to rest … as I see it as an unimportant technicality.
I hope this last attempt will further clarify to some people what I’ve been saying.
The Word (Logos) was God, and He was with Father God from the beginning … John 1:1.
The Word (Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14.
IMO, the Word (Logos) was the Second Person of the Trinity.
Gabriel instructed: “that Holy One who is to be born”
will be CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God" … Luke 1:31,35.
So, from Jesus’ birth onwards … the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God
The point is …
Both of these NAMES: "Jesus" and "the Son of God" originated at the time of Jesus’ birth.
These NAMES were never used before Jesus’ birth, i.e. no Scriptures prove that they were.
But, it certainly IS Scriptural to say that Jesus, the Son of God, is in Heaven now.
Meanwhile, this man's a-gonna journey off into da sunset.
If I believed in the trinity I might agree with your post.
But I don't.
Anyway, have a safe journey.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
The Word (Logos) [the Second Person of the Trinity] was sent by Father God,
and became flesh (Jesus). John 1:14
At this point in time, this ONE born of Mary began being CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God",
as per the instructions of Gabriel. Luke 1:31-35
When Jesus was on earth, was the Word (Logos) NO longer allowed to speak???
When Jesus said things such as:
"Gee, I was with the Father (and shared His glory) for the last trillion years!"
... why cannot this actually be the Word (Logos) talking?
When Jesus walked the earth, the "fully God" part of Him was NOT Jesus, it was the
Word (Logos) ... because it was the Word (Logos) who became Jesus in da foist place.
I just don't see an eternal Jesus coming down to earth and becoming flesh (Jesus).
No, the Word (Logos) came down and became flesh (Jesus).
I see "Jesus" and "the Son of God" as being only names/titles.
But, after the Word (Logos) was given these 2 additional names,
it was kosher to say they were equivalent to Him, i.e. they meant the same as Him
... on earth, and then later in Heaven (including now).
After Jesus' birth, as far as names/titles go ... the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God
Good Luck following this, boys and girls!
This'll sure separate the wheat from the chaff.
You're correct that the Word was God in the beginning, and it's exactly what the Gospel of John is all about. If people would really take the time to read the 1st chapter of John, and believe what it says, it would be very clear. The titles Father and Son have to do with the relationship that occurred after God became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is the tabernacle that housed the godhead....the entirety of God's Glory. Colossians 2:9
Jesus is the Glory of God, the cross is the Grace of God, and that grace is accessed by faith in the Word that came down from heaven and took on human flesh. Thus, whoever does not confess that Jesus Christ is (God) COME IN THE FLESH, is antichrist. Men don't "come in the flesh," they are born.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
You're correct that the Word was God in the beginning, and it's exactly what the Gospel of John is all about.
Thus, whoever does not confess that Jesus Christ is (God) COME IN THE FLESH, is antichrist.
Men don't "come in the flesh," they are born.
Mind if I correct you on THE SPIRITUAL TEST we're supposed to use on people and spirits,
which is given in 1 John 4:1-3?
Hey, you gotta believe that "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" (1 John 4:1-3) ... or you're SOL.
Historically, it's obvious that Jesus Christ came in the flesh (i.e. was born on this earth).
John is using Christianeze code language to say that "God has come in the flesh".
Hint: Johnny boy was writing to Christians ... when they read "Jesus Christ", they think "God".
God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them! "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14 It always was God's intention that His NT church be the ONLY model for all future churches!
Mind if I correct you on THE SPIRITUAL TEST we're supposed to use on people and spirits,
which is given in 1 John 4:1-3?
Hey, you gotta believe that "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" (1 John 4:1-3) ... or you're SOL.
Historically, it's obvious that Jesus Christ came in the flesh (i.e. was born on this earth).
John is using Christianeze code language to say that "God has come in the flesh".
Hint: Johnny boy was writing to Christians ... when they read "Jesus Christ", they think "God".
Didn't I quote it right? I put the (God) there so people would understand what was being said. I should have just put up the exact quote and left it, but you'd be amazed by how many people insist they had "come in the flesh."
John did a great job, though, of lining it out so anyone could understand what he was saying. Step by step...
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 25th, 2012, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Didn't I quote it right? I put the (God) there so people would understand what was being said. I should have just put up the exact quote and left it, but you'd be amazed by how many people insist they had "come in the flesh."
John did a great job, though, of lining it out so anyone could understand what he was saying. Step by step...
1 John is talking about the difference between the false prophets (of which you are one) and the true prophets .
The life of the false prophets do not confess Jesus Christ as come in the flesh, because they live the life of Cain who killed Abel because Cains religion was rejected by God.
Many evill men can say with their mouth they believe Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (like you, the mocker) but their lives are set on destroying the truth by preaching the Roman Catholic doctrines.
How easily fooled Christians are to receive the sons of the devil by the words of their mouth-
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Who deceives men in the last days according to Jesus--
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
The Word (the Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14
All Christians agree on this, right?
But, they also insist that the Word (the Logos) was/is Jesus Christ.
Yes, Both were/are definitely "fully God".
However, Jesus Christ was BOTH "fully God" AND "fully man".
So, how can people say ... the Word (the Logos) and Jesus Christ are exactly the same?
Hopefully, this'll be my swan song re: this topic, but somehow I doubt it.
Stay thirsty, my friends!
God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them! "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14 It always was God's intention that His NT church be the ONLY model for all future churches!
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