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Its simply a fact, a fact that men are crucified for. A woman does not have to answer in any way shape or form for her prudishness, and a man who wants to divorce for an unsatisfied sex life is deemed a pervert.
You wonder why alot of men dont want to attend church or possibly cheat. I understand there are other reasons men cheat but women have almost no accountability for one of their most critial rolls in marriage, providing their husband sexual fullfillment.
Based on that, i would say for the purposes of this thread, that thats a good example of an immoral divorce.
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May 26th, 2012, 04:56 AM
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Based on that, i would say for the purposes of this thread, that thats a good example of an immoral divorce.
And if the husband has an insatiable need for sex?
To refer to sex between married person's as "putting out" is rather coarse and betrays an attitude of entitlement.
Based on that, i would say for the purposes of this thread, that thats a good example of an immoral divorce.
Im saying its not immoral for a husband to divorce a wife over defrauding, however, most churches would crucify a man over that and he would have no legal protections.
Its simply a fact, a fact that men are crucified for. A woman does not have to answer in any way shape or form for her prudishness, and a man who wants to divorce for an unsatisfied sex life is deemed a pervert.
You wonder why alot of men dont want to attend church or possibly cheat. I understand there are other reasons men cheat but women have almost no accountability for one of their most critial rolls in marriage, providing their husband sexual fullfillment.
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May 26th, 2012, 07:14 PM
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Im saying its not immoral for a husband to divorce a wife over defrauding, however, most churches would crucify a man over that and he would have no legal protections.
Do you think wives are supposed to provide sex on tap or something?
John Piper’s position: remarriage after divorce is not determined by:
The guilt or innocence of either spouse,
Nor by whether either spouse is a believer or not,
I got this here and PIper's position is posted below:
Here is John Piper’s position:
“Conclusions and Applications
In the New Testament the question about remarriage after divorce is not determined by:
The guilt or innocence of either spouse,
Nor by whether either spouse is a believer or not,
Nor by whether the divorce happened before or after either spouse’s conversion,
Nor by the ease or difficulty of living as a single parent for the rest of life on earth,
Nor by whether there is adultery or desertion involved,
Nor by the on-going reality of the hardness of the human heart,
Nor by the cultural permissiveness of the surrounding society.
Rather it is determined by the fact that:
Marriage is a “one-flesh” relationship of divine establishment and extraordinary significance in the eyes of God (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Mark 10:8),
Only God, not man, can end this one-flesh relationship (Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:9—this is why remarriage is called adultery by Jesus: he assumes that the first marriage is still binding, Matthew 5:32; Luke 16:18; Mark 10:11),
God ends the one-flesh relationship of marriage only through the death of one of the spouses (Romans 7:1-3; 1 Corinthians 7:39),
The grace and power of God are promised and sufficient to enable a trusting, divorced Christian to be single all this earthly life if necessary (Matthew 19:10-12,26; 1 Corinthians 10:13),
Temporal frustrations and disadvantages are much to be preferred over the disobedience of remarriage, and will yield deep and lasting joy both in this life and the life to come (Matthew 5:29-30).
Those who are already remarried:
Should acknowledge that the choice to remarry and the act of entering a second marriage was sin, and confess it as such and seek forgiveness
Should not attempt to return to the first partner after entering a second union (see 8.2 above)
Should not separate and live as single people thinking that this would result in less sin because all their sexual relations are acts of adultery. The Bible does not give prescriptions for this particular case, but it does treat second marriages as having significant standing in God’s eyes. That is, there were promises made and there has been a union formed. It should not have been formed, but it was. It is not to be taken lightly. Promises are to be kept, and the union is to be sanctified to God. While not the ideal state, staying in a second marriage is God’s will for a couple and their ongoing relations should not be looked on as adulterous.”
Link: John Piper’s position on Divorce and Remarriage
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Depends on the situation. Your myopic view of mathew 19 probably hurts alot of people. We all know its not ideal but to call it adultry for all cases is disingenuous at best. It is imparitive that we look at the audiance that Jesus was talking to and their beliefs on divorce and remarriage. I agree it is unfortunate that the bible does not list out verbatim all the possible scenarios where divorce and remarraige is valid but we can use common sense. I do not feel as if I commited adultry when my ex wife decided to no longer full fill her marital duties so I divorced her and remarried, had she not continually sinned against me I would not have divorced.
I never said "all". I was careful to allow for those situations where divorce and remarriage are acceptable. For instance, my first wife cheated on me and we divorced. I remarried and we will celebrate 25 years together this year.
All I am saying is that a Christian needs to very very careful consider and pray over their situation before they get remarried.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Nope, that's just what the RCC and Anglican Church want you to believe.
Be a man.. a true scholar and go do some research on the Greek from which the KJV was mistranslated.
No, it is what Jesus said:
Matthew 19
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19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
One must carefully consider whether getting remarried is the acceptable thing to do given their particular situation.
Of course, you are welcome to get out the Greek and show us that Jesus didn't actually say this...
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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May 27th, 2012, 07:49 AM
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Im saying its not immoral for a husband to divorce a wife over defrauding, however, most churches would crucify a man over that and he would have no legal protections.
For a Christian, divorce is permissible for adultery ...
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You did her a favor when you divorced her.
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Do you think wives are supposed to provide sex on tap or something?
I also did myself a favor, it was better than hiring an escort or cheating in general. Do you have a hard time accepting the reality of situations? Some chrisitans do a good job accepting reality and others not so much, the ones that dont usually leave a wake of broken friendships with their self righous statements, badgering and condesention.
19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
One must carefully consider whether getting remarried is the acceptable thing to do given their particular situation.
Of course, you are welcome to get out the Greek and show us that Jesus didn't actually say this...
Can you show me ANY where else in the bible this is stated? This was ONE argument Jesus was having with the pharisies, no where else is he this harsh even with the woman at the well, so when people get on mathew 19 like a broken record I tune out. Jesus was harsh with the parisies because they were trying to do wickedness, they were different from the woman at the well whom Jesus did not even condmn of sin.
Can you show me ANY where else in the bible this is stated? This was ONE argument Jesus was having with the pharisies, no where else is he this harsh even with the woman at the well, so when people get on mathew 19 like a broken record I tune out. Jesus was harsh with the parisies because they were trying to do wickedness, they were different from the woman at the well whom Jesus did not even condmn of sin.
How many times does something need to appear in Scripture before you consider it to be God's truth?
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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