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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 28th, 2012, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
Gospel of Grace? I know the gospel of Jesus Christ but haven't heard of any a gospel of Grace.
Secondly, who's "we" in the above if not of some cheap believism 'gospel'?
There is a price to pay for being a Christian. Haven't you been taught that part of it?
Nick is right, however, we are still here on the earth in these unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23, that are prone to sin.
Paul struggled with his lower nature, Romans 7:18.
We are called to live in the Gospel like Nick is talking about. In the Gospel we are perfect and complete "In Christ." and Christ is in heaven, Hebrews 10:14.
Nick is right, however, we are still here on the earth in these unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23, that are prone to sin.
Paul struggled with his lower nature, Romans 7:18.
We are called to live in the Gospel like Nick is talking about. In the Gospel we are perfect and complete "In Christ." and Christ is in heaven, Hebrews 10:14.
Yeah, I know__and you are "without spot of wrinkle". "You da man".
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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May 28th, 2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
Gospel of Grace? I know the gospel of Jesus Christ but haven't heard of any a gospel of Grace.
Secondly, who's "we" in the above if not of some cheap believism 'gospel'?
There is a price to pay for being a Christian. Haven't you been taught that part of it?
Nick doesn't yet understand these things. He thinks "all that" applies to the Jews and not to him. That he only has to listen to Paul, and that Paul said something completely different from what Jesus said. It's called MAD. There are a surprising number of fairly extreme dispensationalists on TOL.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
Nick doesn't yet understand these things. He thinks "all that" applies to the Jews and not to him. That he only has to listen to Paul, and that Paul said something completely different from what Jesus said. It's called MAD. There are a surprising number of fairly extreme dispensationalists on TOL.
I think it is tragic that a Christian who says he understands Grace can't see God giving it, from Genesis to Revelations.
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Your faith is what you believe in and by their fruit you shall know them
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May 28th, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick M
It doesn't matter what his flesh is like. The flesh is dead, our Spirit is alive. You are carnally minded, and it is set on the flesh and its performance.
The definition of the flesh and the spirit not doing the same thing is called hypocrisy!
Please read and support: "Modern Day Prophet" by Douglas Duncan
[quote=Nick M;3087406]Of course you have, you just reject it.{/quote]
Why do you say that when I already told you I see God's grace from cover to cover in the bible? God's grace is no special historical time frame for its appearance. Re-read the accounts in the OT to see where God loved individuals. What did that love bring to them. I think there is a name for it, don't you? Grace, maybe?
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So then you keep Matthew 23? Wow. Somehow, I don't believe you.
Knowing the gospel of Jesus Christ is a prerequisite to moving on in Him.__otherwise one could be following someone else' gospel that will lead them away from God and to their own destruction.__and perhaps even someone else', if they are teacher.
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Yes, and it was paid on Mount Moriah.
Nope. Sorry son, you need to go back to square one.
Yeah, I know. I wonder what you are like when someone crosses you?
See Nick's response.
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Originally Posted by Nick M
It doesn't matter what his flesh is like. The flesh is dead, our Spirit is alive. You are carnally minded, and it is set on the flesh and its performance.
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