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May 26th, 2012, 03:22 PM
I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone condemn another and then point to a snippet in the Bible and blame God. I can tell you that never once has it rung true. If you sit in the judgement seat then own it. Don't pretend to be sitting beside it absolved of your judgement because you interpreted the Bible one way or another.
But, you will say I am judging others right here in this thread. From one perspective that might be argued. What I am trying to say is simply that the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" is blasphemy.
I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone condemn another and then point to a snippet in the Bible and blame God. I can tell you that never once has it rung true. If you sit in the judgement seat then own it. Don't pretend to be sitting beside it absolved of your judgement because you interpreted the Bible one way or another.
But, you will say I am judging others right here in this thread. From one perspective that might be argued. What I am trying to say is simply that the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" is blasphemy.
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May 26th, 2012, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Eeset
I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone condemn another and then point to a snippet in the Bible and blame God. I can tell you that never once has it rung true. If you sit in the judgement seat then own it. Don't pretend to be sitting beside it absolved of your judgement because you interpreted the Bible one way or another.
But, you will say I am judging others right here in this thread. From one perspective that might be argued. What I am trying to say is simply that the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" is blasphemy.
the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God.
Let me give you an example. There are many passages in the Bible that not only support but sanction slavery. If you doubt that then do a search for Nellie Norton and do a bit of reading. Many slave owners took the position that they were simply following God's word. Do you support that position?
And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,
Wait a minute.... If she was taken in the act where is the man?
4 they said unto Him, “Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned but what sayest thou?”
Again, why did they not bring also the man?
6 This they said testing Him, that they might have cause to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not.
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus writes anything except for verse 8 below
7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
So ....
What we have here is another example of blasphemy, bigotry and hypocrisy. These people wanted to use the word of God to condemn Jesus. When he turned it back upon them they were compelled to leave.
I advocate following the example of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God does not want us judging each other in His name. He does not want us to use the Bible to burn people at the stake. Perhaps I am wrong?
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May 26th, 2012, 07:13 PM
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the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God.
Let me give you an example. There are many passages in the Bible that not only support but sanction slavery. If you doubt that then do a search for Nellie Norton and do a bit of reading. Many slave owners took the position that they were simply following God's word. Do you support that position?
And many abolitionists used God's Word to condemn slavery.
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May 26th, 2012, 07:42 PM
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Let us examine some text.
And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,
Wait a minute.... If she was taken in the act where is the man?
4 they said unto Him, “Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned but what sayest thou?”
Again, why did they not bring also the man?
6 This they said testing Him, that they might have cause to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not.
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus writes anything except for verse 8 below
7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
So ....
What we have here is another example of blasphemy, bigotry and hypocrisy. These people wanted to use the word of God to condemn Jesus. When he turned it back upon them they were compelled to leave.
I advocate following the example of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God does not want us judging each other in His name. He does not want us to use the Bible to burn people at the stake. Perhaps I am wrong?
I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone condemn another and then point to a snippet in the Bible and blame God. I can tell you that never once has it rung true. If you sit in the judgement seat then own it. Don't pretend to be sitting beside it absolved of your judgement because you interpreted the Bible one way or another.
But, you will say I am judging others right here in this thread. From one perspective that might be argued. What I am trying to say is simply that the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" is blasphemy.
I agree. That phrase isn't in the Bible at all. In fact, it is shown that sinners are hated by God, and to be hated by His people.
And John 7:24, and 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 speak to our position to sit in judgment, as long as it is righteous.
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May 27th, 2012, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Eeset
Let us examine some text.
And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,
Wait a minute.... If she was taken in the act where is the man?
4 they said unto Him, “Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned but what sayest thou?”
Again, why did they not bring also the man?
6 This they said testing Him, that they might have cause to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not.
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus writes anything except for verse 8 below
7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
So ....
What we have here is another example of blasphemy, bigotry and hypocrisy. These people wanted to use the word of God to condemn Jesus. When he turned it back upon them they were compelled to leave.
I advocate following the example of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God does not want us judging each other in His name. He does not want us to use the Bible to burn people at the stake. Perhaps I am wrong?
Just remember ... judgement and discernment are two different things.
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May 27th, 2012, 12:39 AM
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Many slave owners took the position that they were simply following God's word. Do you support that position?
They did so by ignoring those portions of Scripture such as those that would have forbidden them from holding other Christians in servitude for more seven years and the like which would've made slavery, as any sort of widespread institution, completely unviable.
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May 27th, 2012, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Eeset
Let us examine some text.
And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,
Wait a minute.... If she was taken in the act where is the man?
4 they said unto Him, “Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned but what sayest thou?”
Again, why did they not bring also the man?
6 This they said testing Him, that they might have cause to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not.
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus writes anything except for verse 8 below
7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
So ....
What we have here is another example of blasphemy, bigotry and hypocrisy. These people wanted to use the word of God to condemn Jesus. When he turned it back upon them they were compelled to leave.
I advocate following the example of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God does not want us judging each other in His name. He does not want us to use the Bible to burn people at the stake. Perhaps I am wrong?
These are the kind of passages that contrasts Jesus against YHWH. Had Jesus been YHWH he would have taken an active interest in pelting the woman with stones.
Last edited by g_n_o_s_i_s; May 27th, 2012 at 08:55 AM.
They did so by ignoring those portions of Scripture such as those that would have forbidden them from holding other Christians in servitude for more seven years and the like which would've made slavery, as any sort of widespread institution, completely unviable.
There is no such passage that forbids it. The only thing close is where Jews are forbidden to hold other Jews in slavery for more than seven years. But they are likewise instructed to hold slaves who are not part of "the tribe" in perpetual slavery and to pass them down through the generations as well as their offspring.
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May 27th, 2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Eeset
Let us examine some text.
And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,
Wait a minute.... If she was taken in the act where is the man?
Where the man is has no bearing on the guilt of the woman. The woman was 100% guilty under the law of Moses and should have been pelted to death by appropriate sized stones.
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Originally Posted by Eeset
4 they said unto Him, “Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned but what sayest thou?”
Again, why did they not bring also the man?
Again, it doesn't matter where the man is, the woman is still guilty and deserves pelting by stones according to YHWH.
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Originally Posted by Eeset
6 This they said testing Him, that they might have cause to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not.
This is the only place in the Bible where Jesus writes anything except for verse 8 below
7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
This is totally contrary anything in the Old Testament. Moses when he was found in the same position and didn't know what to do with the stick picker in Num 15 was told by YHWH under no uncertain terms that he was to be pelted to death by rocks without the camp. YHWH never told Moses that he couldn't enforce his law because he also was a sinner.
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So ....
What we have here is another example of blasphemy, bigotry and hypocrisy. These people wanted to use the word of God to condemn Jesus. When he turned it back upon them they were compelled to leave.
If Jesus is YHWH there is a huge amount of hypocrisy. I agree.
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I advocate following the example of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God does not want us judging each other in His name. He does not want us to use the Bible to burn people at the stake. Perhaps I am wrong?
I too rather follow the example of Jesus. Jesus is worthy to be called God.
You make judgements everyday and all the time. You make judgements about activities, people's character etc. It is absolutely necessary to make judgements. Are you somehow defining judging differently esset?
May 26th, 2012, 03:35 PM
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