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Impute: "A word meaning to attribute something to a person, or reckoning something to the account of another." (source, Zondervan Bible Dictionary.)
Infuse: This word is not to be found in the Bible. Meaning: To instill or inculate as principles. To pour in. (Source, Funk & Wagnalls Dictionary)
INFUSED RIGHTEOUSNESS
None of the apostles taught an infused righteousness, including the apostle Paul. Paul did teach that Christ dwells in the Christians heart by faith, Colossians 1:27. "Christ in you the hope of glory." We know that Christ is present in the Holy Spirit just as the Spirit of the Father was present in Christ. The Holy Spirit is present in both the Father and the Son. Is it the work of the Son to make the believer righteous by infusing his virtues into the believer? The work of Christ is a finished work. The New Testament emphasis is Christ in heaven mediating His righteousness on our behalf and not in the heart of the believer.
"For such a priest became us, WHO IS HOLY, harmless, undefiled, SEPARATE FROM SINNERS, and made higher than the heavens," Hebrews 7:26.
Jesus Christ has already dealt with the sins of humanity, why would he want to come back and live his sinless life through a sinner?
IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS
The word "Impute" is found 15 times in the Bible.
Paul wrote, "Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness without works, Romans 4:6. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin," Romans 4:8.
Just as God imputes righteousness he also imputes sin.
"Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God," James 2:23.
What did Abraham believe? He believed that God would provide him with a savior. The promise of a savior is a thread that runs through the Old Testament and finds its fulfillment in the New Testament, Acts 2:39. Abraham was justified by faith, Romans 4:5.
In the light of what the Bible says imputed righteousness is the correct doctrine. Infused righteousness is a false doctrine.
Impute: "A word meaning to attribute something to a person, or reckoning something to the account of another." (source, Zondervan Bible Dictionary.)
Infuse: This word is not to be found in the Bible. Meaning: To instill or inculate as principles. To pour in. (Source, Funk & Wagnalls Dictionary)
Bad start Robert you fell at the first hurdle....
[Main Entry: in·fuse
Pronunciation: \in-ˈfyüz\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): in·fused; in·fus·ing
Etymology: Middle English, to pour in, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French infuser, from Latin infusus, past participle of infundere to pour in, from in- + fundere to pour —
INFUSE use implies a pouring in of something that gives new life or significance. Source: Merriam-Webster.com]
Isaiah 45:8
“Drip down, O heavens, from above,
And let the clouds pour down righteousness;
Let the bearth open up and salvation bear fruit,
And righteousness spring up with it.
I, the Lord, have created it.
The words pour(ed)/infuse(d) can also be found ? (i lost count) of times in the bible.
Sorry I didn't take time to read the rest I'm sure it's not right anyway.
Pate's posted about fifty versions of this same erroneous thread now, and the Catholics here have set him straight at every point. For my part, I'll simply point out the transparent fact that the very title of the thread involves a False Dilemma Fallacy, and is therefore inherently irrational.
For more info, see here, here, and here. End of thread. Moving on...
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 29th, 2012, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dona Bate
Bad start Robert you fell at the first hurdle....
[Main Entry: in·fuse
Pronunciation: \in-ˈfyüz\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): in·fused; in·fus·ing
Etymology: Middle English, to pour in, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French infuser, from Latin infusus, past participle of infundere to pour in, from in- + fundere to pour —
INFUSE use implies a pouring in of something that gives new life or significance. Source: Merriam-Webster.com]
Isaiah 45:8
“Drip down, O heavens, from above,
And let the clouds pour down righteousness;
Let the bearth open up and salvation bear fruit,
And righteousness spring up with it.
I, the Lord, have created it.
The words pour(ed)/infuse(d) can also be found ? (i lost count) of times in the bible.
Sorry I didn't take time to read the rest I'm sure it's not right anyway.
God bless!
The word infuse is NOT to be found in the Bible.
If you were a truth seeker, which you are not, you would have read the whole article.
This is the problem with Catholics they don't want the truth.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 29th, 2012, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Pate's posted about fifty versions of this same erroneous thread now, and the Catholics here have set him straight at every point. For my part, I'll simply point out the transparent fact that the very title of the thread involves a False Dilemma Fallacy, and is therefore inherently irrational.
For more info, see here, here, and here. End of thread. Moving on...
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
You need to scrap your Catholic dogma and start reading the Bible.
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 29th, 2012, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
You need to scrap your Catholic dogma and start reading the Bible.
You need to scrap your anti-Catholic dogma and start reading the Bible in light of the historical understanding of Christ's own Church, rather than according to your own preferences and opinions.
In any case, I've read and studied the Bible nearly every day of my life for over thirty-five years now. Your false assumption, however, is noted.
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You are moving on in darkness.
Post #3.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
Reputation:
May 29th, 2012, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
You need to scrap your anti-Catholic dogma and start reading the Bible in light of the historical understanding of Christ's own Church, rather than according to your own preferences and opinions.
In any case, I've read and studied the Bible nearly every day of my life for over thirty-five years now. Your false assumption, however, is noted.
Post #3.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
You have not read the Bible with an open mind.
If you had you would see that man is a sinner from the day that he is born until the day that he dies.
God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners.
God only accepts the work and the obedience of Jesus Christ.
If you are not found "IN HIM" you will be eternally lost.
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 29th, 2012, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
You have not read the Bible with an open mind.
Back at you.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
If you were a truth seeker, which you are not, you would have read the whole article.
This is the problem with Catholics they don't want the truth.
Answered #2
The rest is as Ecclesiastes describes best in 10:13 "The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness,and the end of his talk is wicked madness."
The words of the righteous are what save them but the speech of the wicked is their destruction. By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned.
It is written;" Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
"The righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their heavenly Father".
"The Lord is righteous and he loves righteous works.
"The Lord is righteous in all His ways and holy in all His works."
"My ways are not your ways nor are your thoughts my thoughts, as high as the heavens are above the earth, that is how high my ways are above your ways and my thoughts above your thoughts."
That's the word of the Lord who sent me. I do nothing on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I’m not seeking my own will but the will of the One who sent me.
The Lord who sent me has testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice nor seen his form, and you do not have his word remaining in you, because you do not believe in the One whom he has sent.
The one who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.
I am the good shepherd.
I am the bread of life. Anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood possesses eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
Reputation:
May 30th, 2012, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Princely
The words of the righteous are what save them but the speech of the wicked is their destruction. By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned.
It is written;" Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
"The righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their heavenly Father".
"The Lord is righteous and he loves righteous works.
"The Lord is righteous in all His ways and holy in all His works."
"My ways are not your ways nor are your thoughts my thoughts, as high as the heavens are above the earth, that is how high my ways are above your ways and my thoughts above your thoughts."
That's the word of the Lord who sent me. I do nothing on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I’m not seeking my own will but the will of the One who sent me.
The Lord who sent me has testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice nor seen his form, and you do not have his word remaining in you, because you do not believe in the One whom he has sent.
The one who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.
I am the good shepherd.
I am the bread of life. Anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood possesses eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day.
What is a "Christian other?"
We are not saved by eating flesh and drinking blood.
We are saved by the meritorious work of Christ.
It was Jesus Christ that defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15.
Taking the sacrament is something that you do. What you do will not save you. Jesus is the savior, we are saved by what he did.
Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. Do you qualify?
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 30th, 2012, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dona Bate
Answered #2
The rest is as Ecclesiastes describes best in 10:13 "The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness,and the end of his talk is wicked madness."
Perfect!
God bless!
I am afraid that you are in the.... Lord, Lord, didnt we, group. Matthew 7:21, 22, 23.
We are not saved by eating flesh and drinking blood.
We are saved by the meritorious work of Christ.
It was Jesus Christ that defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15.
Taking the sacrament is something that you do. What you do will not save you. Jesus is the savior, we are saved by what he did.
Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. Do you qualify?
You misunderstand scripture and the power of God.
The works I do in my Father's name testify to me.
But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.
My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Lord's hand.The Lord and I are one.
If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, put faith in the works, so that you may realize that the Lord is in me and I am in the Lord.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 30th, 2012, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Princely
You misunderstand scripture and the power of God.
The works I do in my Father's name testify to me.
But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.
My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Lord's hand.The Lord and I are one.
If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, put faith in the works, so that you may realize that the Lord is in me and I am in the Lord.
I understand the scriptures completely.
What are the works that Jesus is talking about in the above scriptures? "Put faith in the works" This is not about you.
This is about that work that Jesus did that reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
This is about how Jesus overcame and defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15.
"JESUS IS LORD" He is the savior of the world, John 12:47.
This means that salvation can only be by faith alone. Your religion is worthless. Repent and believe the Gospel.
What are the works that Jesus is talking about in the above scriptures? "Put faith in the works" This is not about you.
This is about that work that Jesus did that reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
This is about how Jesus overcame and defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15.
"JESUS IS LORD" He is the savior of the world, John 12:47.
This means that salvation can only be by faith alone. Your religion is worthless. Repent and believe the Gospel.
I am the good news. You best give up Paul and the letters after the Gospels and follow my example. If I do not wash you ,you will have no part of my inheritance.
The words I speak are not my own, it is the Lord who lives in me performing His works.
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It is written in scripture;
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament proclaim his handiwork.
The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the decrees of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple. The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the Lord are true all of them just.
Who can climb the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? He whose hands are sinless, and whose heart is clean.
When a man reveres the Lord, He will teach him the way he should choose. He will abide in prosperity, and his descendants shall inherit the land. The friendship of the Lord is with those who revere him, and he makes his covenant known to them.
If only you recognized Gods gift, and who it is that’s speaking to you, you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.
Anyone who drinks the water I give him will never become thirsty the water I give him shall be like a fountain inside him rising up to provide eternal life.
Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the One who sent me possesses eternal life and will not come under condemnation, but has passed from death to life.
Unless you come to believe I Am, you will surly die in your sin.
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