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I thought you didn't believe in God. Can you hate what doesn't exist? Wouldn't worshiping Him, or withholding worship from Him for that matter, be an impossible thing for you to do? I mean, do you hate Zeus or Odin? It seems you've gotten a bit worked up over a deity you believe to be fictional...
What i wonder myself all the time.
It would be like me getting online and ranting about how much i hate the tooth fairy.
I think its more like they know God exists but really do hate Him and all He stands for.
I thought you didn't believe in God. Can you hate what doesn't exist? Wouldn't worshiping Him, or withholding worship from Him for that matter, be an impossible thing for you to do? I mean, do you hate Zeus or Odin? It seems you've gotten a bit worked up over a deity you believe to be fictional...
He's real in the sense that you and billions of other people believe he is real. And you're belief is so strong that it decides your whole worldview and how you think and act. Some of you are so hardcore you're even willing to say and do some pretty despicable things for your belief.
So do I believe God is real in the scientific sense? No, not really. But his religion has real impact on the world because of his followers. Zeus and Odin can't make that claim.
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What i wonder myself all the time.
It would be like me getting online and ranting about how much i hate the tooth fairy.
I think its more like they know God exists but really do hate Him and all He stands for.
Belief in the Tooth Fairy doesn't cause billions of people to discriminate against eachother.
He's real in the sense that you and billions of other people believe he is real. And you're belief is so strong that it decides your whole worldview and how you think and act. Some of you are so hardcore you're even willing to say and do some pretty despicable things for your belief.
So do I believe God is real in the scientific sense? No, not really. But his religion has real impact on the world because of his followers. Zeus and Odin can't make that claim.
Belief in the Tooth Fairy doesn't cause billions of people to discriminate against eachother.
He's real in the sense that you and billions of other people believe he is real. And you're belief is so strong that it decides your whole worldview and how you think and act.
Yes, however, you must know that there is quite a variety within the Church... you paint with a pretty broad brush when you attempt to slam it all.
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Some of you are so hardcore you're even willing to say and do some pretty despicable things for your belief.
Like, I dunno, take the object of someone's dearest affection and belittle it with hateful words?
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So do I believe God is real in the scientific sense? No, not really. But his religion has real impact on the world because of his followers. Zeus and Odin can't make that claim.
Belief in the Tooth Fairy doesn't cause billions of people to discriminate against eachother.
So, you don't hate God, you hate a type of worldview resulting from a religious understanding. Perhaps, you should be more clear.
Well, I appreciate your honest answer but I believe heaven and hell are just concepts that only exist in the mind, a state of mind. I'm not into idealism much. I've heard many arguments including these for and some against them and none of them ever really sway me one way or the other.
Most interesting. A person whose qualities were recognized as making the world a better place, but not a believer.
Now how about another person who spends their life focused on just themselves, and leaving hurt and pain as their legacy, yet repents and accepts Christ when it is too late to make amends? Who ends up in heaven, and who in hell?
Does justice have any meaning here?
If God offers you forgiveness and eternal life, and you reject it, whose fault is that?
Yes, however, you must know that there is quite a variety within the Church... you paint with a pretty broad brush when you attempt to slam it all.
Obviously. Most of my friends are some flavor of Christian. Unfortunately, the people who are content to just let things be are rarely the movers and shakers in the world.
Most often the people you hear about in the news or the ones trying to push terrible laws are the ones who want to tear down society and education.
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Like, I dunno, take the object of someone's dearest affection and belittle it with hateful words?
Sorry, Cracked. I used to try and think, "Well I disagree with them, but I understand why they behave that way". But my empathy has become atrophied as of late.
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So, you don't hate God, you hate a type of worldview resulting from a religious understanding. Perhaps, you should be more clear.
Mmm, little of both. It's sort of my Occam's Razor. In the event God does exist, I hate him.
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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May 30th, 2012, 08:29 AM
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In the case of the atheists, the offer doesn't appear to be clearly made.
If it's not clear, then why are most people at least theists? Do you think that God didn't make creation or our consciousness clear enough? Are there certain people that God is lack in making things clear? What you are doing is pointing the finger at God because there are atheists in the world when God has already given us enough information to make a choice.
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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May 30th, 2012, 08:32 AM
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Now let me explain why I believe that he is in hell right now in torment. Because his sins weren’t forgiven.
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Ecc 12:7 “…and the spirit will return to God who gave it.”
Repeating this every five minutes isn't going to help your case. If you have a good argument why your Bible verse challenges the OP then make the case because I don't see it. Your spirit will return to God and then God will deal with you. Everybody stands in judgement.
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Of course you realize this means war! ~ Bugs Bunny
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May 30th, 2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Angel4Truth
What i wonder myself all the time.
It would be like me getting online and ranting about how much i hate the tooth fairy.
IF individuals wanted to use their belief in the unproven to make laws, I would oppose those laws based on the same reasoning: That is imposing one's religion on others.
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I think its more like they know God exists but really do hate Him and all He stands for.
WRONG. While I may not agree with the existence of God or any other deities or god, I do not hate the God that decent Christians worship. Questioning the existence is not the same thing.
Example: You are a Christian, and even though I don't agree with your belief in God and a few other things, I like you because you are a decent person.
Repeating this every five minutes isn't going to help your case. If you have a good argument why your Bible verse challenges the OP then make the case because I don't see it. Your spirit will return to God and then God will deal with you. Everybody stands in judgement.
Ecc 12:7 “…and the spirit will return to God who gave it.”
Looking at the context it doesn't appear that the spirit will return to God to be cast in either heaven or hell - It just says the spirit will return to God and the implication is like a boomerang will return to its thrower.
And, I was ignored until I repeated myself multiple times.
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