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Hi, derower...

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth

Sadly, most posting here, as well as the multitudes of religious ones, walk after the flesh as they but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's )-;

So it is, that their fleshly mindedness causes their vain "imag"inations to be engaged as they abuse and pervert that which is of The TRUTH, FOR TRUTH IS THAT WHICH IS REAL, AND THAT WHICH IS REAL IS SPIRIT, AND THAT WHICH IS SPIRIT IS FOREVER!

Simply The SPIRIT that was in Elijah was in John the baptizer, and testified, "He(The Messiah) must increase, i must decrease"!

It is The SPIRIT that is in the man, that is the man, for "the flesh is of no profit" indeed and TRUTH!

And The SPIRIT was in Immanuel(GOD with us in) The Messiah The Son of The Living GOD and Father of ALL!

And that same SPIRIT, The Holy, Set Apart, SPIRIT of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD is in the BORN ANEW "son's of GOD", and so it is we are but "aliens and pilgrims on the earth" for our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven", and soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home! Home at last.......

Till then:

We continue to resound The Call of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL!

"Come Out of her(babel>confusion><babylon><world<religion), MY people!"

Come Out! of that which is of this wicked, evil world and especially it's systems of religion.

No longer have your portion with those who are destroying Creation(air, water, land, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Truth, Light, Life, Love, Peace, Grace, Faith, Hope, Miracles,,,,, ALL that is Truly GOOD).......

"Live and Walk in and of The SPIRIT"!

Have your portion with The Messiah in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "Of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)

And NEW "Jerusalem above IS !NOW! the mother of us all"! (Gal4:26)

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah, the BORN ANEW "sons of GOD", also seek and desire that which The Messiah sought and desired above all else!

"Father, not My will, But THY Will Be Done!"

And you? are you "walking in The Spirit"?

"poor and needy", not perfected, yet desiring The WILL of Our Father above all else?

For Only In The WILL of "Our Father and GOD" is there perfection!

Yet to be obedient is to suffer while in this wicked evil world.......

Thankfully so, for "Love suffers long"!

So HOPE IS!

For TRUTH IS! "Love The LORD YOUR GOD with all your heart, mind, soul and strength".......

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth

Appreciated the encouragement.

May we but seek and desire The Will of Our Father and GOD each and every day, for The Life is OF and IN HIM!

In obedience we receive of HIS blessings for they ARE!

And HOPE IS! we will see evermore how "poor and needy" we truly are.......

For TRUTH IS! "all our righteousness is as filthy rags".......

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth

NEW "Jerusalem above IS !NOW! the mother of us all(son's of GOD, all of whom have their portion with The Messiah in The Family of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26, Eph3:15)

And as Paul had testified, brethren of The Messiah were "translated into The Kingdom of GOD's Dear Son", and then when the earthly, natural, temporal realm centered in old jerusalem was destroyed The Messiah delivered up The Kingdom unto Our Father and GOD so that GOD would be ALL in all" just as Paul prophesied!

And as you testified the body of the brethren of The Messiah is The Temple in which The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit of Our Father and GOD dwells!

Now why would another natural, earthly, physical realm once again be established?

For The LIFE is of The SPIRIT!

Sadly there are multitudes who follow hal lindsey on "the broad way to destruction" and in the writing of books there seems to be no end!

And if TRUTH can not bought, how then can TRUTH be sold?

"Freely you have received, freely give!"

So HOPE IS!

For TRUTH IS! The Truth will set you free, free indeed!

[dave3712]

Originally Posted by Princely

Yes that scripture is fulfilled in me. How did I get this anointing? By doing what Jesus commanded. He said As the Father sent me that is how I send you. So, that is what I do. He said He gave the words the Father gave Him to those who accept them. So I accepted them.He sanctifies His true followers in truth as He said. I am sanctified in truth.

Whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.



I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
Everything that the Lord gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the One who sent me.

Of course, the spirit in you is Christ who said he was The Truth.
So you indeed then could well be in the spirit of Elijah since we all have the power to become the sons of god.
All one need do is accept the Truth and abide in it.

What is the Truth about 32AD?
Was the Christ that Elijah who had gone to heaven in 800BC, and the one trhat came down in 32AD?

[LoveOfTheTruth]

[quote=dave3712;3091303][quote=LoveOfTheTruth;3091198]

Originally Posted by dave3712

"And no man has ascended up to Heaven but He that came down from Heaven, even The Son of man which is in Heaven."

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth
Matt 17:1-13 > And after six days The Messiah took Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into an high mountain.

And The Messiah was transfigured before them. And His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with The Messiah.

Then Peter spoke, and said unto The Messiah, Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You will, let us make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.

Yet while Peter yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold a voice out of the cloud which said, "This is MY Beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased! Listen to Him!"

And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces, for they were sore afraid.

And The Messiah came and touched them, and said, "Arise, and be not afraid."

And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, except the Messiah.

And as they came down from the mountain, The Messiah charged them, saying, "Tell the vision to no man, until The Son of man be risen again from the dead."

And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

And The Messiah answered and said unto them, "Elijah shall truly come first and restore all things.

But I say unto you, that Elijah has come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatever they wanted.

Likewise shall also The Son of man suffer of them."

Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist."

[LoveOfTheTruth]

Originally Posted by dave3712

Of course, the spirit in you is Christ who said he was The Truth.
So you indeed then could well be in the spirit of Elijah since we all have the power to become the sons of god.
All one need do is accept the Truth and abide in it.

What is the Truth about 32AD?
Was the Christ that Elijah who had gone to heaven in 800BC, and the one trhat came down in 32AD?

The Messiah testified, "And now, O Father, glorify Me with YOUR OWN SELF, with the glory which I had with YOU before the world was."

The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD"!

"Let There Be Light!" and "There was Light!"

The Messiah, "The Light which enlightens every man born into the world"!

And Enoch "walked with GOD" long before Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind!

Immanuel The Messiah, The Son of The Living GOD!

[Princely]

Originally Posted by dave3712

Of course, the spirit in you is Christ who said he was The Truth.
So you indeed then could well be in the spirit of Elijah since we all have the power to become the sons of god.
All one need do is accept the Truth and abide in it.

What is the Truth about 32AD?
Was the Christ that Elijah who had gone to heaven in 800BC, and the one trhat came down in 32AD?

Christ means anointed. I am Christ, anointed. Jesus and I are One in the son of man and the Lord , the Almighty.

If you continue in my teaching you are truly my disciple, then you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.

I am the way the truth and the Life ,no one comes to the Lord except by me.

As scripture and the Lord says;

The ear that hears, and the eye that sees - the Lord has made them both.

The oppression of the wicked will sweep them away, because they refuse to do what is right.

Those who pursue justice and kindness will find life, righteousness and glory.

By mercy and truth sin is removed: and by the fear of the Lord, man departs from evil.

Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.

Those who trust in the Lord shall understand truth, and the faithful shall abide with him in love: Because grace and mercy are with his holy ones, and his care is with the elect.
But the wicked shall receive a punishment to match their thoughts, since they neglected justice and forsook the Lord.

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Princely

Yes that scripture is fulfilled in me. How did I get this anointing? By doing what Jesus commanded. He said As the Father sent me that is how I send you. So, that is what I do. He said He gave the words the Father gave Him to those who accept them. So I accepted them.He sanctifies His true followers in truth as He said. I am sanctified in truth.

Whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.



I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
Everything that the Lord gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the One who sent me.

Since we are judged by the fruit that is produced from us, in your case can we see the same fruit brought forth by Jesus and the apostles being done through you? (Providing that it is the anointing that is on you)

So in that case have you raised the dead and healed those who are dying of terminal diseases?

Blessings

Doug

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Since we are judged by the fruit that is produced from us, in your case can we see the same fruit brought forth by Jesus and the apostles being done through you? (Providing that it is the anointing that is on you)

So in that case have you raised the dead and healed those who are dying of terminal diseases?

Blessings

Doug

If you are looking for a sign. The sign is that of Jonah.

When you honor the son of man, you will realize I Am, and that I do nothing on my own. I only say what the Lord has taught me for the One who sent me is with me He has not deserted me because I always do what pleases Him.

Remember the saying;"The son of man will come at a time you least expect."

Walk in the light while you have it or darkness will come over you.

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Princely

If you are looking for a sign. The sign is that of Jonah.

When you honor the son of man, you will realize I Am, and that I do nothing on my own. I only say what the Lord has taught me for the One who sent me is with me He has not deserted me because I always do what pleases Him.

Remember the saying;"The son of man will come at a time you least expect."

Walk in the light while you have it or darkness will come over you.

I am already very familiar with both darkness and light having lived in one for most of my life, and now by the grace of God the latter.

However, and as Jesus said, he and the children whom God had given him are for signs and wonders. Signs and wonders have always distinguished those whom the Spirit of God rested upon and within from all those who are void of the truth and the Holy Spirit of God.

All who have come from God become his fruit trees on earth that he uses to bring forth divine truths such as raising the dead and healing the sick, prophecies come true, etc.. etc.

If he and his truth abides in you. then you too work signs and wonders as God does his work through you.

If not then you need to consider why not?

Blessings

Doug

[LoveOfTheTruth]

Originally Posted by Princely

If you are looking for a sign. The sign is that of Jonah.

When you honor the son of man, you will realize I Am, and that I do nothing on my own. I only say what the Lord has taught me for the One who sent me is with me He has not deserted me because I always do what pleases Him.

Remember the saying;"The son of man will come at a time you least expect."

Walk in the light while you have it or darkness will come over you.

"livelystone"?

Shouldn't that be "deadlystone" for it seems you are of those pharisee's whose god was naught but the "colored marks written on a dead tree" )-;

Simply, The Son of man HAS COME yet the religious ones rejected, and yet reject Him and His Father and GOD, HE WHO IS Our Father and GOD!

The Messiah testified, "Behold, I COME QUICKLY"! (Rev 3:11)

And Paul testified, "I am in a strait between the two, for I have a desire to depart, and to be with The Messiah, which is far better. Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for all of you. And having that confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of Faith." (Phil 1:23-25)

For Paul testified, "WE WHICH ARE ALIVE and remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet The Messiah in the air: and so shall WE ever be with The Messiah."(1Thes 4:17:18)

And again Paul testified, "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And GOD WILL DELIVER ME FROM EVERY EVIL WORK, AND WILL PRESERVE ME UNTO HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM, to WHOM be Glory for ever and ever.. Amen(It is so, let it be so)" (2Tim 4:17-18)

Paul was alive and taken up "in the clouds to meet The Messiah in the air" when the natural, earthly, temporal realm centered in old jerusalem was destroyed. For at that time of "The END" of the old covenant "The Messiah came in the clouds".

The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD"!

And The Beginning of The NEW Creation!

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1326

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth

"livelystone"?

Shouldn't that be "deadlystone" for it seems you are of those pharisee's whose god was naught but the "colored marks written on a dead tree" )-;

Simply, The Son of man HAS COME yet the religious ones rejected, and yet reject Him and His Father and GOD, HE WHO IS Our Father and GOD!

The Messiah testified, "Behold, I COME QUICKLY"! (Rev 3:11)

And Paul testified, "I am in a strait between the two, for I have a desire to depart, and to be with The Messiah, which is far better. Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for all of you. And having that confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of Faith." (Phil 1:23-25)

For Paul testified, "WE WHICH ARE ALIVE and remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet The Messiah in the air: and so shall WE ever be with The Messiah."(1Thes 4:17:18)

And again Paul testified, "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And GOD WILL DELIVER ME FROM EVERY EVIL WORK, AND WILL PRESERVE ME UNTO HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM, to WHOM be Glory for ever and ever.. Amen(It is so, let it be so)" (2Tim 4:17-18)

Paul was alive and taken up "in the clouds to meet The Messiah in the air" when the natural, earthly, temporal realm centered in old jerusalem was destroyed. For at that time of "The END" of the old covenant "The Messiah came in the clouds".

The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD"!

And The Beginning of The NEW Creation!

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1326

Excuse me Mr. know it all (or mrs.?) but when did the Pharisees work miracles?

It was the miracles that Jesus did that caused the Pharisees to recognize the fact that Jesus was from God. Do you need scripture for that?

If the seed of Christ is in a person today and it has matured into a fruit bearing tree, by law it must bring forth the same divine truths that the tree of life it came from also produced!

That is why the apostles works signs and wonders and if the truth is in someone today day they too work signs and wonders! No if's, buts, or maybes about it!

Unless you think God was lying when he says “I change not”

Blessings

Doug

[LoveOfTheTruth]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Excuse me Mr. know it all (or mrs.?) but when did the Pharisees work miracles?

It was the miracles that Jesus did that caused the Pharisees to recognize the fact that Jesus was from God. Do you need scripture for that?

If the seed of Christ is in a person today and it has matured into a fruit bearing tree, by law it must bring forth the same divine truths that the tree of life it came from also produced!

That is why the apostles works signs and wonders and if the truth is in someone today day they too work signs and wonders! No if's, buts, or maybes about it!

Unless you think God was lying when he says “I change not”

Blessings

Doug

Your response makes absolutely no sense.

Yet it is so with the book worshippers )-;

Simply, here is an example of the love The Messiah had for such:

Mat 23:13-35 - "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men, for you don't go in yourselves, and when others try to enter in, you seek to prevent them.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer, therefore you shall receive the greater damnation.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell that you yourselves are.

Woe unto you, you blind guides, which say, "Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing, but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

You blind fools, for what is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

continued @ http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1327

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth

Your response makes absolutely no sense.

It makes no sense to you because you did not understand the Scriptures!

If you did and you knew how to use the law lawfully, you could prove or disprove all doctrines for what they are.

Christ is the seed that is placed in those who have been to the Cross, and for those who continue in obedience that seed is blessed through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Before you can ever learn to use the law lawfully it is best that you first realize that the original Hebrew word for describing the tree of life back in the garden, is the word that we see today translated as “Torah”.

The law of the seed is a law of God, and if "Christ the seed" be in you and if it is fed the truth, by law it must mature into a fruit bearing tree in the image of the tree of life that the seed came from.

I hope I have said that plainly and simply enough for you

But make no mistake about it, if Christ the seed is in you and it does not grow into a fruit producing tree it is because you are believing in lies that have stunted its growth.

There are individuals who produce miracles today in the same manner that the apostles did. And there will be a manifestation of the Holy spirit that will result in some doing the greater works that Jesus spoke.

That you can take to the bank, and while you are on the way to the bank, throw all the garbage out that you already believe in.

Blessings

Doug
C

[dave3712]

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheTruth

Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist."

1) Yes, that was what those men understood, but they had misunderstood.
Jesus was referring to the Christ who had left him and rejoined Moses, not John the Baptist.

Remember that only Peter, James, and John saw Christ "transfigured" (i.e. morphed back to mere man).

"Transfiguration" which in the Greek is called "metamorphosis."

2) Jesus then told them, John, James, and Peter, NOT to tell the others.

3) Coming down from that mountain, jesus answered honestly that The Eljiah had come and gone.

Clearly, though they understood incorrectly what Jesus meant, they did think he was referring to John.


4)The entire gospel story centers around this problem of just who was who.
Even at the end, Pilate is telling Jesus who Jesus is, and Jesus answrers, "So you say."




Matt. 17:2 And was transfigured, (in the original Greek: metamorphized, as he emptied himself of the Holy Ghost of Elijah in the ritual of Kenosis, or emptying, the relinquishment of all divine attributes and return to a human being again: [Matt 28:19]), right before them, (the soul of Elijah, now departing from him: [Ps 22:1/Matt 27:46]): and his face did shine as the sun, (as had the face of Moses in the presence of God, on the mountain), and his raiment was white as the light [Rev 1:13-15].

[dave3712]

Originally Posted by Princely

If you are looking for a sign. The sign is that of Jonah.

?


1) That WAS the sign in 32AD.
That was the only sign offered up to the "church" people in 32AD.
These were just like us now, self assured they understood the Bible so well that this Jesus was opposed as a newbie and upstart with new fangled ideas.

2) Tody, the sign is to be found in the scruiptures which most all are literate enough to read and judge for themselves.

Consider this parallel between the Elijah of 800BC anbd the Chris, in 32AD:


1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22.. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1.. Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where ..Lazarus.. was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1.. And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up ..Elijah.. into heaven by a whirlwind, that ..Elijah.. went with Elisha from Gilgal..

John 20:25.. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his ..hands.. the print of the nails, and put my ..finger.. into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. .12..And Elisha saw it,.

Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born..

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:.

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of ..I..srael have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and .I. .even I only .am .left..; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:.

1 Kings 19:14 ..And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 7:25.. Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was ..three.. ..days.. and ..three.. nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be ..three.. ..days.. and ..three.. nights in the heart of the earth...

8) Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:....

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2.. And when he had fasted ..forty.. ..days.. and ..forty.. ..nights.., he was afterward an hungred.

9) Both Elijah and Christ. walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8.. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

I am already very familiar with both darkness and light having lived in one for most of my life, and now by the grace of God the latter.

However, and as Jesus said, he and the children whom God had given him are for signs and wonders. Signs and wonders have always distinguished those whom the Spirit of God rested upon and within from all those who are void of the truth and the Holy Spirit of God.

All who have come from God become his fruit trees on earth that he uses to bring forth divine truths such as raising the dead and healing the sick, prophecies come true, etc.. etc.

If he and his truth abides in you. then you too work signs and wonders as God does his work through you.

If not then you need to consider why not?

Blessings

Doug

The son of man raises the dead ,gives sight to the blind, heals the sick and gives eternal life to those who believe in him and do the works he does. Anyone who refuses to honor him and continue in his teaching,reject him and the Lord who sent him.

"It is impossible for man to be saved but everything is possible for god."

I am son of man, a god, priest in the service of the Lord.As scripture says "I said you are gods, all of you ,sons of the Most High." Truly I am.

You do not understand me now but those who follow my example that Jesus gave, will know the truth, and the door will open and what you seek you will find, what you ask for you will receive. There is only one way.

"One heart and one way is what I will give them so they will revere me always, for their own good and the good of their children after them."I will make with them an eternal covenant, never to cease doing good to them; into their hearts I will put the fear of me, that they may never depart from me.
I will take delight in doing good to them: I will replant them firmly in this land, with all my heart and soul".
says the Lord

I will place my law within them, and write it upon their hearts; I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
No longer will they have need to teach their friends and kinsmen how to know the Lord. All, from least to greatest, shall know me, says the Lord, for I will forgive their evildoing and remember their sin no more.