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Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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To save the world more people must . . . -
June 5th, 2012, 07:10 AM
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There is grave misrepresentation of Christianity pervading traditional Christianity. This is resulting in many being called and few chosen (as Jesus prophesied). This erroneous belief is that Jesus has yet to come a second time. Fact is He came the second time already and the chosen few have embraced Him and is benefiting from His presence, currently. This is the essence of Rom 4:25 which says: "Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification". This confirmed that first Jesus came physically as a blood sacrifice for sin. Then He is now offered, for the past 2000 odd years, in His Spirit, for our justification to live without sin, even when we transgress the Ten Commandments.
The fact is that Jesus came (a first time) in the flesh as blood sacrifice for all past sin under the law. If thereafter people continue to esteem the law they will continue to get sin and Jesus would have been of no good or use to them. For deliverance from future sin, God sought to regenerate the Spirit of Jesus in the hearts of those under the law some 2000 years ago. And so introduce the New Testament which is righteousness of God that is without the Ten Commandants and without sin - through the Spirit (of Jesus). This required them to drop the law (i.e. stop esteeming the Ten Commandants) and embrace the Spirit and be led, unconditionally, by the Spirit even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments in the steps of Abraham.
The second coming of Jesus was 2000 odd years ago, soon after He rose to heaven, when: "God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God". This was the second coming of Jesus. This was in fulfillment of Jesus promise (to His disciples) that He had to physically go away so that the the Spirit of Truth can and will come and bring All Truth (re. John: 16 verse: 7 & 13). This provision of Jesus' Spirit, within human hearts or spirits, was given for immediate (i.e in one present life time) embrace and immediate deliverance from the bondage of the law and sin. One who embrace and is led by this Spirit in their life time, is immediately sinless, under grace of God, saved and delivered. Immediately one becomes a child of God, like Jesus. One is in Christ, i.e. one is Christian. One does not wait to die then to earn this bounty. When such people died they rise automatically (in three days) to be like angels in heaven. They differ in no way from Jesus thought He is the head of the body of Christ.
To deny this is to blasphemy the Spirit.
more people must be led into their works in real time, all the time, by unconditionally obeying precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned, in real time, all the time, within their own heart or spirit, even if they have to transgress all ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity (including the Ten Commandments) . . . whiles upholding the laws of their land. This is the desperate need of the times.
'The dead', i.e. the spiritually dead, is leading the world and they are burying their dead. The only way to bring back the world in line with God is to have Spiritually aware people who are also in Christ lead the world. Spiritually aware people who are also in Christ will not be found among the billions in traditional Christianity. They are the few, i.e. the chosen few who hold totally different ideas from the billions in tradition Christianity. The idea in this post, is founded on Truth which is upheld by the chosen few.
Last edited by Gurucam; June 6th, 2012 at 04:05 AM.
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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June 7th, 2012, 05:43 PM
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The scriptures and the law killeth, only the Spirit of Jesus (the mind of who is discerned within one's own heart or spirit) giveth life.
Re. 2 Corinthians 3:6 (King James Version) - Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life.
John: 7 verse: 15 KJV N.T. - "And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?" The letters referred to here, by the Jews, are the scriptures.
Galatians: 3 verses:21 & 22
21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. The law does not give life.
Last edited by Gurucam; June 7th, 2012 at 06:08 PM.
you have denied the second coming of Christ, the PHYSICAL second coming, for the angel said to the disciples at the ascension that (Acts 1:11) he will return in the same way as he left. IOW visibly and physically.
You have confused the second coming with the decent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
These are two separate things.
But if you accuse me of blaspheming the Spirit for pointing this out, then clearly you are not interested in listening as regards a plain and simple doctrine which can be seen by plain and simple exegesis.
This may be why no one else other than I have replied.
I do it for the record.
You are greatly mistaken, even if you will not accept this fact
you have denied the second coming of Christ, the PHYSICAL second coming, for the angel said to the disciples at the ascension that (Acts 1:11) he will return in the same way as he left. IOW visibly and physically.
You have confused the second coming with the decent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
These are two separate things.
But if you accuse me of blaspheming the Spirit for pointing this out, then clearly you are not interested in listening as regards a plain and simple doctrine which can be seen by plain and simple exegesis.
This may be why no one else other than I have replied.
I do it for the record.
You are greatly mistaken, even if you will not accept this fact
JESUS "CAME" the way they "saw" Him go into Heaven; THEY "SAW" Him go by way of the Cross!!!!
Matthew 27:51-54 KJV --- And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now ((( when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done ))), they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God”. ---&--- Hebrews 9:24 KJV – “For (( Christ is not entered into the Holy Places )) made with hands, which are the figures of the true; (( but into heaven itself )), "NOW" to appear in the presence of God for us”.. ------//--- “IF” you read WHAT GOD SAID, you’ll SEE that a "CLOUD RECEIVED" JESUS (( “OUT OF THEIR SIGHT” )) – No one saw Jesus ascend into Heaven, Physically. – You can’t possibly over-state God, and say that they saw Jesus go into Heaven BEYOND THE CLOUDS. – One will surely pay for that LIE!! -- They SAW Jesus go into Heaven itself (( FROM THE CROSS )). Jesus Himself said, - "Into thy "HANDS" I commend My Spirit, and HE GAVE "UP THE GHOST". --- Only the Blind did not see that!!!!
Paul – 060812
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
Slogan/motto:
"The Chief End of Me Is To Love GOD & Enjoy Him Forever!"
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June 8th, 2012, 06:26 AM
If the earth is to be saved...she must be renewed by the "Fire" of the Holy Spirit. She was baptized with water the first time. This was to bring her sins to the surface. So that they might be consumed away forever by the Fire.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
If the earth is to be saved...she must be renewed by the "Fire" of the Holy Spirit. She was baptized with water the first time. This was to bring her sins to the surface. So that they might be consumed away forever by the Fire.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Out side of the Scriptures there, God didn't say any of that, or anything like that. - YOU DID!! -- Yes, the Scriptures are Truth, BUT the stuff of you explaining God is false!!
Paul -- 060812
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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June 11th, 2012, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Strefanash
you have denied the second coming of Christ, the PHYSICAL second coming, for the angel said to the disciples at the ascension that (Acts 1:11) he will return in the same way as he left. IOW visibly and physically.
You have confused the second coming with the decent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
These are two separate things.
But if you accuse me of blaspheming the Spirit for pointing this out, then clearly you are not interested in listening as regards a plain and simple doctrine which can be seen by plain and simple exegesis.
This may be why no one else other than I have replied.
I do it for the record.
You are greatly mistaken, even if you will not accept this fact
Jesus is literally, The Truth or The Word.
Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of Truth or the Spirit of the Word, which is also called the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Jesus.
Only the Spirit of Jesus delivers "the Word" intuitively and directly to the chosen few through their individual hearts or spirits in accordance with 1 Corinthians: 2 verse: 9 to 14.
This is quoted from the KJV N.T.: "God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God."
Acts 1:11 is in line with Act: 1:5 and Act: 1: 8 which are all reiterating the coming of the Holy Ghost.
God did have Jesus return from heaven to earth in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).
Last edited by Gurucam; June 11th, 2012 at 10:19 AM.
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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June 11th, 2012, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Guruman,
I can see how you would interpret the Holy Spirit which is the Mind of Christ
could be the 2nd coming. But how do you explain when Jesus spoke personally to
Paul on his journey along the road ?
Ac 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord?
And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Why would you conclude that this was a physical appearance by Jesus?
Nothing in the description conforms to the usual physical appearance.
This appearance by Jesus was in the form of light and well beyond the physical because it physically blinded Paul for three days after. It was spirit if any thing, not physical.
It was probably after this appearance which blinded Paul that Paul actualized the capacity to intuitively discern Jesus in His Spirit. (re. The Act: 9 verse: 12)
Acts 1:11, which speaks of the return of Jesus from heaven to earth, is in line with Act: 1:5 and Act: 1: 8 which are all reiterating the coming of the Holy Ghost.
God did have Jesus return from heaven to earth in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).
Do not mistake Jesus to be the physical person who walked on earth 2000 odd years ago. Jesus is literally 'The Truth' which is also described as the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. 2000 odd years ago, Jesus or 'The Truth' simply came to earth physically in a human physical body.
When Jesus physically left earth, He was still the Truth now (without a physical body but) in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost or the Spirit of Truth. This Spirit confirms directly and intuitively through one's heart that Jesus or Truth was manifested in a human physical body, 2000 odd years ago.
Mother Mary provided that physical body and Jesus left it on earth to return to His Father in His Spirit.
After Jesus' crucifixion, Jesus simply recreated a physical body, as a physically discernible sign, to show those who were 'dead' to their spirit side, that He actually rose to heaven.
Had Jesus simply rise to heaven in Spirit as he came, these spiritually dead people who included Peter, would not get the message of Jesus' rising.
Under the cover of the clouds Jesus dematerialized his physical body. Material things cannot enter heaven. Christians differ in no way from Jesus, through He is the head of the body of Christ. It is confirmed clearly that when Christians die they rise to heaven, like angels, (i.e. in spirit bodies). Since Christians differ in no way from Jesus, then Jesus also rise to heaven in His Spirit and not in his flesh. If it was different for Jesus then Galatians: 4 : 1 would not confirm that Christians differed in no way from Jesus except that He is the head of the body of Christ.
Fact is one is sewed a physical body but rise in a spirit body.
Last edited by Gurucam; June 11th, 2012 at 10:45 AM.
I think that you have SERIOUS Problems with the scriptures.
If Jesus is Truth than why do you not understand the Bible.
I think that you are a Catholic.
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[ Mother Mary provided that physical body and Jesus left it on
earth to return to His Father in His Spirit. ]
--WRONG -- Mary is only Physical.
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[Under the cover of the clouds Jesus dematerialized his
physical body. ]
-- NO PROOF or Scriptures.
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[Material things cannot enter heaven.]
-- WRONG - Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.
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It is confirmed clearly that
when Christians die they rise to heaven, like angels, (i.e.
in spirit bodies).
= WRONG - NO PROOF.
Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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Since Christians differ in no way from
Jesus, then Jesus also rise to heaven in His Spirit and not
in his flesh.
--WRONG- NOT SCRIPTURAL.
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Fact is one is sewed a physical body but rise in a spirit
body.
I see that you are referring to the Resurrection.
JESUS in Rev. 1 - A spirit body has substance.
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GOD HAS PROMISED US IMMORTALITY
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Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
Reputation:
June 11th, 2012, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Guruman,
I think that you have SERIOUS Problems with the scriptures.
If Jesus is Truth than why do you not understand the Bible.
I think that you are a Brainwashed Catholic.
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I innocently quote the KJV N.T. and you accuse me of things . . . . so sad.
John: 14 verse: 16 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the Truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
What do you mean? Are you saying that Jesus is not The Truth?
Are you saying that the Bible is Truth?
The Bible is not Truth. The O.T. does not deal with Truth. And the KJV N.T. is simply the instructions for coming onto Truth. In fact reading and hearing the scriptures is simply for coming onto faith. This is confirmed in the KJV N.T. Why are you making up the idea that the scriptures are for delivering Truth?
Delivering Truth is the work of only the Spirit. To deny this fact is to blasphemy the Spirit. That is the worse sin and it is not forgivable. Even the seeming noble but erroneous act of claiming that the Bible is Truth is serious blasphemy of the Spirit.
Fact is All Truth come directly and individually to each person through an intuitive connection between the person's individual spirit and the Spirit of Jesus (i.e. the Spirit of Truth).
This is not through physically spoken or physically written words. This is the essential message in John: 16 verses: 7 & 13 and 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14 . . . . so forget about the Bible.
This is why God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts or spirits of those under law, i.e. so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).
The instruction manual for building muscles is not muscles. The muscles for knowing Truth is spiritually awareness (i.e. having hearts which are not waxed gross) and direct intuitive communion with the Spirit of Jesus through one's own heart or spirit. The book which delivers this message is not the Truth. This book is simply the instruction manuel.
What is Jesus' instruction? The instruction is simple: Seek ye first the kingdom of God within your own heart, then All things will be added. Truth is an added thing. It is added by the Spirit of Jesus through your own heart. This is the message in John: 16 verses: 7 & 13 and 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14 . . . . so forget about the Bible.
If you are seeking Truth and not just faith, then you have to put down the book (i.e. the Bible) and forget it. Then seek ye first the kingdom of God within your own heart or spirit. There you will discover Jesus, in His Spirit, as the the king of God's kingdom within your own heart or spirit. Then Jesus through His Spirit will add All things. Jesus is All Truth. However He can deliver Truth to humans only directly and intuitively from His Spirit (i.e. the Spirit of Truth) through their spirit or heart. This is an unseen (non physical) pathway. (re. Ephesians: 3 verses: 16 to 19)
The letter killeth where as the Spirit giveth life (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 6). The scriptures are the letters (re. John: 7 verses: 15 & 16). Use the gospel only to bring you and yours onto faith (re. Romans 10 verses: 16 & 17). They were given only for that purpose.
Time to wake up and smell the aroma of Truth.
To much foolishness is being passed off as Truth in traditional Christianity. This is resulting in many being called and few chosen. Jesus confirmed that people err when they do not know Truth (and those who err are not Christians and they are not chosen). Jesus prophesies cannot and will not be made a lie. They will come through because plenty foolishness is being passed off as Truth in Traditional Christianity. You are contributing. Wake up and change your ways.
Finally, why did Paul fall down on his face, when Jesus came to him in His Spirit? 1 Corinthians: 14 verse: 25 can explain.
Check the KJV N.T. revelations mentioned here and you might become closer to being enlightened in Christ.
Do you know what Jesus meant when He said:
"I am the way", this is one aspect - this is Jesus or Truth manifested in His Spirit as the Spirit of Truth or the Holy Spirit. In this way He is the bridge between man and God.
"I am the Truth" and this is another aspect - this is the soul of Jesus as The Truth simply in ideas or potential form The knowledge of all things.
"I am the life" and this is a third aspect - this is the manifestation of Jesus or Truth, in a Spirit within a human physical body on earth. This is how humans must be led, i.e. by the Spirit of Jesus which is always in line with the will of God. Humans must always do the will of God by being led by the Spirit 24 -7.
: "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"? This is Jesus' service to humans and God, i.e. the bridge between man and God. Jesus is the savior and deliverer of humans.
Last edited by Gurucam; June 11th, 2012 at 05:56 PM.
'The dead', i.e. the spiritually dead, is leading the world and they are burying their dead. The only way to bring back the world in line with God is to have Spiritually aware people who are also in Christ lead the world. Spiritually aware people who are also in Christ will not be found among the billions in traditional Christianity. They are the few, i.e. the chosen few who hold totally different ideas from the billions in tradition Christianity. The idea in this post, is founded on Truth which is upheld by the chosen few.
Your views are tainted because you do not believe in the One whom God has sent.The reason is that Jesus gave His followers a commission to carry on His teaching as He was sent with the same words and mission. You reject the words of the son of man and his commission, therefore you are unfaithful to him and a non believer.
Here is what He says and also what I say because He sent me as He was sent.
As the Father sent me that is how I send you. Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father ,the Son and the Holy Spirit and teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you.
(Father)"I revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
Now they know that everything you gave me is from you,
because the words you gave to me I have given to them, and they accepted them and truly understood that I came from you, and they have believed that you sent me.
They do not belong to the world any more than I belong to the world.
Consecrate them in the truth. Your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.
And I consecrate myself for them, so that they also may be consecrated in truth.
I have given you an example, what I have done that is what you must do.
Once you know all these things blessed will you be if you put them into practice.
Whoever would serve me let him follow me, where I am that's where my servant will be.
I am the light of the world no one who follows me shall ever walk in darkness because he will possess the light of life.
Slogan/motto:
Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
Reputation:
June 12th, 2012, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
Guruman,
The Bible says to STUDY the scriptures.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think
ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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You do not do that first.
Seek ye first the kingdom of God within your own heart then All things will be added.
Your quote is consistent with Jon. 5:39 of the KJV N.T.
This is what Jon. 5:39 of the KJV N.T. says: "Search the scriptures for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are which testify of me."
This is not the same as "Search the scriptures for in them ye have eternal life and they are which testify of me."
Fact is the scriptures cannot give eternal life. The scriptures can only make you aware of the fact that you have an eternal side to your make up. It can make you think (or believe) that you have eternal life. You have to spiritually know (i.e. intuit) that you have eternal life. This require you to de-waxed gross your heart or spirit. That is to be born again of spirit. That is, to awaken to your own spirit or heart.
Only spiritual awareness can give one eternal life. Only when one ceases to have a heart which is waxed gross that one awakens to one's eternal life. The scriptures can only tell you that this is the path.
However awakening to one's eternal nature is not yet salvation and deliverance. One must be led unconditionally, into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit.
In order to discern the mind of the Spirit within one's own heart, one's own heart cannot be waxed gross. Therefore the path to Truth, salvation and deliverance is a available only to those whose hearts or spirits are not waxed gross.
The first step in one's path to Truth, salvation and deliverance is to drop all ideals and laws of morality, society and religiosity, including the law and the scriptures, and devote oneself to being absolutely aware off and loyal to the ideas, beliefs, interests, need desires and aspirations of one's own heart or spirit. This must happen before one can regulate one's self by the Spirit though one's own awakened heart or spirit. One must intimately know one self first at the level of one's own spirit. Then one can seek communion with the Spirit within one's own heart or spirit and so be led into one's works by the Spirit.
The path to removing the waxed gross covering over one's heart or spirit is self discovery. This is a rediscovery of one self at the level of one's own heart or spirit. This is to become reacquainted with one self at the level of one's own heart or spirit. This is how one's was during early childhood. One must go back there. One must become a child again.
This will uncover (i.e. de-wax gross) one's heart and then one will be given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Only then can one discern the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into one's heart or spirit and have communion with this Spirit.
Fact is your spirit survives death on earth. Death on earth is simply the lost of one's physical body. One's physical body is the part of one which is from earth. Death is the separation of one from one's physical body. At this time one (as the witness) remains in one's own spirit. And can function in the spirit realm through one's spirit or inward man.
If during your life time as a man on earth, you are aware of your heart or spirit, then when you die (when you loose your physical body) you will continue to be aware of your spirit or heart which survives death. You will not 'die' with you physical body but will live on eternally.
People died when they lose their physical bodies because they have limited their awareness to only their physical bodies. Being unaware of their spirit or hearts (i.e. having waxed gross hearts) people continue to be aware of only their dead physical body and they go into a comatose state at death and they are buried with their physical dead body (i.e. the dead bury their dead). They remain in earth. They cannot rise rise out of the ground, unless they are helped by spiritual being or angels etc. They are dependent on souls who may not be selfless.
Those who are aware of their spirits or hearts, at the time of death, jump out of their physical bodies at death and is aware to move on.
However even though they have awareness of their spirit and the spirit realm after the lost of their physical body, they cannot rise to heaven in their spirit bodies or hearts without the help of the Spirit.
During one's life time one must achieve communion with the Spirit of Jesus, through one's own spirit or heart and be led by this Spirit 24-7. Then when one dies one will continue to be led by this Spirit through one's own spirit or heart. Then this Spirit will have one rise to be like an angel in heaven. One will be delivered into heaven. Then one can return to earth from heaven, under God's predestination, as a son of God, like Jesus. Then one will no longer be an adopted child of God one will actually be a child of God, an authentic one and an actual brother or sister to Jesus, i.e. the man who walked physically on earth.
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