[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by keypurr

What is the state of the Dead?

Answered here, here, here, and here.



Gaudium de veritate,

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[AMDG]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

That is wisdom?? - Wisdom comes from GOD. You must have missed some somehow, maybe it's who YOU KEEP COMPANY "WITH"!!

Paul -- 061112

No, actually, it's LOGIC and COMMON SENSE. Not reading more into something that what it actually says.

[DAN P]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Mary was a sinner who trusted the Savior. She is in heaven right now. She was not sinless, should not be prayed to, etc.

Dan's twisting of Gal. and neither male/female is ripped out of historical context, not exegeted. It does not say we will be neuter in heaven?!

Hi , and does it mean God , is going to have Grand Children in Heaven ??

Maybe , MARY , will have more children in Heaven , by your reasoning ??

dan p

[Eeset]

Absurd.

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by keypurr

Sorry LA, but I disagree. He has yet to return.

When you read Revelation, that is the beginning of the return. The actual appearing of the Lord was instant, but leading up to His coming, "IS" written in Revelation. ((( JOHN SAW IT, - HE SAID HE DID IN JESUS' OWN WORDS ))!! - You MISSED IT!!!

Paul -- 061212

[HisServant]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

When you read Revelation, that is the beginning of the return. The actual appearing of the Lord was instant, but leading up to His coming, "IS" written in Revelation. ((( JOHN SAW IT, - HE SAID HE DID IN JESUS' OWN WORDS ))!! - You MISSED IT!!!

Paul -- 061212

Both Jesus and John's own words state when Jesus was to return... and that was a long time ago in the distant past.

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by HisServant

Both Jesus and John's own words state when Jesus was to return... and that was a long time ago in the distant past.

Matthew 23:36 KJV ---&--- Matthew 24:34 KJV ---&--- Matthew 16:28 KJV ---&--- Revelation 21:2 KJV ---&--- Revelation 22:20-21 KJV -----//--- That’s the “LAST” thing ever done by the Lord in doing or saying anything. - There is no more doing in the carnal, and no more saying of anything now forever!! – If you think you have the Truth and it has not COME FROM HEAVEN, ( YOU’RE A FOOL ) – The Truth “IS HEAVEN”, and the Kingdom COME!! – The TRUTH CAME IN “FULFILLMENT”!! – That is the Lord COMING IN GREAT “POWER”!! – The Great Power is the GOSPEL “FULFILLED”!! – THE GOSPEL FULFILLED IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE “TIMES OF THE GENTILES FULFILLED”!! – “ALL” / ALL OF IT WAS FULFILLED AROUND – AD 70 ( PERIOD )

NONE of you can PROVE otherwise using the Word of God!! – THAT’S THE REASON YOU WONT EVEN TRY, or have ever tried to prove me wrong!!!!!!!!!!! - YOU CANNOT!!!!

How many times does one have to challenge cowards???

Paul – 061212

[HisServant]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

Matthew 23:36 KJV ---&--- Matthew 24:34 KJV ---&--- Matthew 16:28 KJV ---&--- Revelation 21:2 KJV ---&--- Revelation 22:20-21 KJV -----//--- That’s the “LAST” thing ever done by the Lord in doing or saying anything. - There is no more doing in the carnal, and no more saying of anything now forever!! – If you think you have the Truth and it has not COME FROM HEAVEN, ( YOU’RE A FOOL ) – The Truth “IS HEAVEN”, and the Kingdom COME!! – The TRUTH CAME IN “FULFILLMENT”!! – That is the Lord COMING IN GREAT “POWER”!! – The Great Power is the GOSPEL “FULFILLED”!! – THE GOSPEL FULFILLED IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE “TIMES OF THE GENTILES FULFILLED”!! – “ALL” / ALL OF IT WAS FULFILLED AROUND – AD 70 ( PERIOD )

NONE of you can PROVE otherwise using the Word of God!! – THAT’S THE REASON YOU WONT EVEN TRY, or have ever tried to prove me wrong!!!!!!!!!!! - YOU CANNOT!!!!

How many times does one have to challenge cowards???

Paul – 061212

Coward?... Jesus said that all the signs that he prophesied about will come true before his generation passed away.

John states that the events he is witnessing and recording in Revelation must occur SOON.

End of story.

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by HisServant

Coward?... Jesus said that all the signs that he prophesied about will come true before his generation passed away.

John states that the events he is witnessing and recording in Revelation must occur SOON.

End of story.

AND THEY DID, TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO!!!! -- THAT'S WHAT I SAID!! - IT'S "OVER"!!!

Paul -- 061212

[DAN P]

Originally Posted by Strefanash

Mary would be in heaven as Jesus said to the thief on the cross "today you will be with me in paradise" and Paul said "to live is christ to die is gain" so the righteous dead do go to heaven.

the question is does she receive prayers?

the OT says the dead know nothing. IMO this does not imply that they are non conscious, but that they know nothing of this world. The account of Dives and Lazarus also implies this

therefore no one in heaven receives prayers but the Lord of Hosts Himself

Hi , so where do you say Paradise is ?

The Thiefs hope was the KINGDOM on earth , in Luke 23:42 and it obvouisly the Thief believed in the Resurrection of Israel ,

dan p

dan p

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by DAN P

Hi , so where do you say Paradise is ?

The Thiefs hope was the KINGDOM on earth , in Luke 23:42 and it obvouisly the Thief believed in the Resurrection of Israel ,

dan p

dan p

Paradise and Kingdom are used in various ways in different contexts. The thief went to the righteous compartment of Hades at death, but then joined Jesus in heaven shortly thereafter.

The kingdom on earth will be the future millennial reign and made up of future Tribulation saints, not OT saints, not Church Age saints, not Tribulation martyrs.

[DAN P]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Paradise and Kingdom are used in various ways in different contexts. The thief went to the righteous compartment of Hades at death, but then joined Jesus in heaven shortly thereafter.

The kingdom on earth will be the future millennial reign and made up of future Tribulation saints, not OT saints, not Church Age saints, not Tribulation martyrs.

Hi , and this will be interesting , where do you say that Paradise is today ??

Come with verses please !!! Dying to see your verses and answer !!

dan p

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by DAN P

Hi , and this will be interesting , where do you say that Paradise is today ??

Come with verses please !!! Dying to see your verses and answer !!

dan p

Paradise does not exist today (unless you call heaven 'paradise', which is not unreasonable).

Paradise Eden no longer exists. Paradise as part of Hades was emptied. The future Paradise earth will not come until the visible Second Coming of Christ.

Bora Bora might be paradise today.

[DAN P]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Paradise and Kingdom are used in various ways in different contexts. The thief went to the righteous compartment of Hades at death, but then joined Jesus in heaven shortly thereafter.

The kingdom on earth will be the future millennial reign and made up of future Tribulation saints, not OT saints, not Church Age saints, not Tribulation martyrs.

Hi , and yes , he went to Hades !!

Where is Paradise NOW ??

You say , that OT Saints will not be in the Tribulation ?

Where is there a verse for that ??

Turn to Matt 8:11 and 12 , is speaking to Kingdom of Heaven saints , RIGHT !! YES THEY WILL BE THERE .

That many will come from the EAST and West , and shall sit down with Abraham , and Isaac , and Jacob in nthe Kingdom of Heaven , dan p

[DAN P]

Originally Posted by godrulz

/MAD proof texting.

You are worse than average for MAD, but not dissimilar in your approach to Scripture. You guys mock exegesis and hermeneutics. We mock your twisting of Scripture.

Hi , and you have noticed , I give verse as Paul has written them down and Proof -texting as you says is my AIM , SINCE you have no scholarship !!

dan p