[Lighthouse]

We have stats for black on black crime. We have stats for how many crimes are committed by individual races, compared to the other races. But where are the stats on gay on gay crime? Or the stats on how many crimes are committed by homosexuals compared to heterosexuals?

Anyone know why we don't keep track of these?

[Eeset]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

We have stats for black on black crime. We have stats for how many crimes are committed by individual races, compared to the other races. But where are the stats on gay on gay crime? Or the stats on how many crimes are committed by homosexuals compared to heterosexuals?

Anyone know why we don't keep track of these?

I think it is because the stats would never be accurate. I mean if you can choose to be gay then ex gays and returned to gay or newly gay would always be messing up the numbers.

[Real Sorceror]

Who says there aren't stats? I'm sure someone somewhere is keeping track of this. Whether or not it's something the authorities look at I'm not sure.

Also, what does this have to do with genetics?

[Memento Mori]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

We have stats for black on black crime. We have stats for how many crimes are committed by individual races, compared to the other races. But where are the stats on gay on gay crime? Or the stats on how many crimes are committed by homosexuals compared to heterosexuals?

Anyone know why we don't keep track of these?

I think the way in which the majority of data is gathered is done by records when committing someone to prison (or jail) but they do not ask for a person's sexual orientation in the paperwork.

In the same way, we keep stats on students entering college but sexual orientation is not asked on the entry paperwork whereas race and other personal information is asked.

It's not a standard question and I don't particularly see why it should be. Indulge me, why should it be a standard question?

[alwight]

I'm rather sure it isn't routine to ask and record if victims of crime (or indeed the perpetrators) are gay or not, unless perhaps there is a sexual aspect of some kind.
If my car is stolen I really don't need to be asked if I'm gay.

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by Real Sorceror

Who says there aren't stats? I'm sure someone somewhere is keeping track of this. Whether or not it's something the authorities look at I'm not sure.

Also, what does this have to do with genetics?

I think LH is emphasizing genetics as a factor as he (along with others) has an issue with the concept of people being born gay as oppose to 'choosing' it.

[The Horn]

Why would gay people "choose" to be that way given the way they are treated n general by society and family ?
Why would somebody "choose" to be gay while having homophobic
evangelical Christian parents who are always fulmoinating about what an"abomination" homosexuality is, knowing that they would be rejected and turned out by them ?
Did the gay people of Iran "choose" to be gay knowing that they could be executed in a cruel and barbaric manner if found out ?
When do heterosexuals "choose" to be heterosexual?
When conservatives say that there is "no such thing as a gay gene", they are merely using this questionable statement as an excuse to justify their homophobia .
Whether there is a "gay gene" or not is iutterly irrelevant. People should just mind their own business , which is a lost art in busybody America.

[TomO]

Originally Posted by Eeset

I think it is because the stats would never be accurate. I mean if you can choose to be gay then ex gays and returned to gay or newly gay would always be messing up the numbers.

Don't forget the week-enders.

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by Real Sorceror

Who says there aren't stats? I'm sure someone somewhere is keeping track of this. Whether or not it's something the authorities look at I'm not sure.

Also, what does this have to do with genetics?

I was referring to records kept by the authorities.

If it's genetic, like race, why are there no stats as there are with race?

Originally Posted by Memento Mori

I think the way in which the majority of data is gathered is done by records when committing someone to prison (or jail) but they do not ask for a person's sexual orientation in the paperwork.

In the same way, we keep stats on students entering college but sexual orientation is not asked on the entry paperwork whereas race and other personal information is asked.

It's not a standard question and I don't particularly see why it should be. Indulge me, why should it be a standard question?

I never said it should be a question.

Sometimes it's obvious, especially in domestic violence situations. But there are no stats on homos v heteros in percentage of which commits such crimes more often.

Originally Posted by alwight

If my car is stolen I really don't need to be asked if I'm gay.

I doubt they would need to ask; I'm sure they can tell.

Originally Posted by The Horn

Why would gay people "choose" to be that way given the way they are treated n general by society and family ?
Why would somebody "choose" to be gay while having homophobic
evangelical Christian parents who are always fulmoinating about what an"abomination" homosexuality is, knowing that they would be rejected and turned out by them ?
Did the gay people of Iran "choose" to be gay knowing that they could be executed in a cruel and barbaric manner if found out ?
When do heterosexuals "choose" to be heterosexual?
When conservatives say that there is "no such thing as a gay gene", they are merely using this questionable statement as an excuse to justify their homophobia .
Whether there is a "gay gene" or not is iutterly irrelevant. People should just mind their own business , which is a lost art in busybody America.

Choosing to act on inclinations is a choice; having the inclinations is not.

And yet, even in light of all the things you listed, they choose to act on their inclinations.

[The Barbarian]

The evidence suggests that it's hormonal, possibly in utero, rather than genetic.

It would be interesting, if we could find the cause of that. I suspect most parents would avoid the condition, and the number of homosexuals would plummet.

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by The Horn

Why would gay people "choose" to be that way given the way they are treated n general by society and family ?
Why would somebody "choose" to be gay while having homophobic
evangelical Christian parents who are always fulmoinating about what an"abomination" homosexuality is, knowing that they would be rejected and turned out by them ?
Did the gay people of Iran "choose" to be gay knowing that they could be executed in a cruel and barbaric manner if found out ?
When do heterosexuals "choose" to be heterosexual?
When conservatives say that there is "no such thing as a gay gene", they are merely using this questionable statement as an excuse to justify their homophobia .
Whether there is a "gay gene" or not is iutterly irrelevant. People should just mind their own business , which is a lost art in busybody America.

For the SAME REASON that some people kill themselves!!

Paul -- 061112

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by TomO

Don't forget the week-enders.

There is no way of telling, by listening to ANY SIDE of the ISSUE!!! - There is no such thing as TRUTH in anything out of the Word of God.

Paul -- 061112

[Real Sorceror]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

I was referring to records kept by the authorities.

If it's genetic, like race, why are there no stats as there are with race?

I think it has more to do with what alwight touched on. For the most part, being gay isn't immediately obvious to observers. At least not like a person's ethnicity. Unless the crime is specifically related to sexuality or relationships -like a domestic abuse case- it probably isn't going to come up and thus won't be recorded.

I think whether it's a choice or it's genetic is irrelevant to it being recorded in this instance.

[HisServant]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

The evidence suggests that it's hormonal, possibly in utero, rather than genetic.

It would be interesting, if we could find the cause of that. I suspect most parents would avoid the condition, and the number of homosexuals would plummet.

Correct, according to current genetic understanding, behavior is not determined wholly from genetics. Although a certain genetic makeup may predispose someone to homosexual type behavior, it is environmental factors that make the determination and can override genetic predispositions.

[Eeset]

Originally Posted by TomO

Don't forget the week-enders.

Excellent point. We are probably forgetting a few others too like gay bashing preachers hooked on drugs and sex.