why do u think people are against the Catholic Church?
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We really aren't... what we are against is the RCC trying to flex its muscles and try and take control of all Christians.
If Lutherans, Episcopalians, anglicans, presbyterians, baptists or any other sect tried to do the same thing, they would be treated the same way.
My main problem with the RCC is that it continually gives safe shelter to nuns and priests that have been convicted of crimes against humanity, both by country and by the Hague... it's Pope and cardinals also hide behind the veil of diplomatic immunity.
If the RCC were subject to the laws of the land (just like very other sect), there would be a lot less clamor when the Pope or his minions do terrible things, because they would be subject to justice.
Although we are called as Christians to forgive the Pope and his henchman, the scriptures also tell us that supposed leaders much be above reproach and also willingly submit themselves to the governments (because they are placed there by Jesus) to make recompense for their crimes against fellow humans (they are also supposed to pay double damages).
What? The Pope and his henchmen? Are we back in the dark ages?
I have a friend who detests the Catholic Church. He was molested by a priest when he was a boy. When I was a boy, I was very nearly molested by a priest. Another priest caught him and stopped hime before anything too serious happened.
The same thing happens in our grade schools...at the pool...in boy scouts....in university. Well, you get my drift.
waht, no jumping and hollering and writhing on the floor like the Shakers and Pentecostals??? Oh, you poor thing... strange idea of what "LIFE" is.... dontcha think?
No, we were very somber while attending Mass. But, I have gone to a couple of Pentecostal churches and saw a bit of what you're talking about. There was a snake handling church nearby when I lived in Virginia. Copperheads...quite odd if you ask me, and I never felt led to attend.
Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
this is bogus
When the Mass was in Latin, there were missals that had one language on the one side and English on the other. Have the antiCathlics taught u to lie about things???? really Christian, if so
What reason would I have to lie? Really? I'm relating exactly how it was when I attended Catholic school. I was even confirmed. We had to get a little token slap on the cheek, which I can tell you I wasn't that comfortable with.
Oh, and the Missals. I'd forgotten about those. I don't recall too many people reading anything.....mostly just waiting to kneel, stand or sit, depending on where we were in the Mass. We went up and down quite a bit with that ritual. Not that I minded at the time.
Originally Posted by TruthSetFree
p ditto. When one goes to Mass one HEARS The Bible read... one psg from Old and 2 or more from the New... get real... and quit spreading lies and distortions never seen this either... Catholics own Bibles but dont generally take them to Mass... What is it w/ you anyway? Does truth not appeal to you??
My goodness, you sound like a very angry Catholic.
I don't have any recollection of other angry Catholics. I had this one friend...they had 10 kids, the dad was going to be a priest but had a family instead...great, kind, loving people they were. I spent a lot of time with that family. Thanks for bringing them to mind. Anyway, I guess you're the first angry Catholic I've been witness to.
Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
this takes the freaking cake... Who makes up sins ?? Oh... wow... are u one of those rare people who never sins so you have to make up something?????? Wehn can i meet u and shake your most holy hand????
Well, I had lots of friends, and I can guarantee I wasn't the only one who made up sins. Do you honestly think any teenager is going to tell the priest what he is really up to? Perhaps you're being willfully ignorant on that topic...I couldn't say.
Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
well, this is enogh to say in response to your post... You are admitting u are not honest right here... (and b4 here as well...)
so - see ya
but b4 i go
u may want to recall that in the book of Rev
it metnions those who end up in Hell and one of those is "all LIARS"
I'm not lying, so your charges are like water off a duck's back.
Being from duck country, I know what I'm talking about on that one.
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
But what about the Church deliberately sweeping it under the rug for so many years? And doing it still? Had they not done so it's very likely that there would have been far fewer instances of abuse, and keep in mind that we're talking about the rape and sexual molestation of children, as well as physical beatings and emotional trauma. This isn't the kind of thing decent human beings sweeps under the rug. And we also aren't talking about a few errant priests, we're talking about whole institutions (in Australia and Ireland) where children were routinely abused by a staff of priests, nuns, and lay functionaries. It was just 'how things were done'.
That's just a sign of a religion rather that saving faith.
Life is a series of trials and puzzles, and the answers are never quite clear. But if you can make to the end with only a few mistakes and regrets, then you have lived a truly good life.
June 13th, 2012, 09:19 PM
The RCC doesn't exactly have a clean track record. Genocide, war, child abuse, tax evasion, assisting criminals of the state, extortion, and unjust use of donated funds are a few good reasons. I personally don't hate the church. I just pity it. It used to own a large part of the Italian Peninsula, and was a driving force in the world for centuries. Now they have lost some of their former influence. Not a lot, but enough that inquisitions and masses en-mass are a rare occurrence if it all. However, I do applaud them for sticking it out through all the hate and aggression against the established Church over the years, and am interested to see how much longer before they start to fully address the issue of other branches interfering in their ability to control others.
...the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love thei
to raise a big ruckus about how 1 in 6 boys in this country is molested by the age of 16
and 1 in 4 girls is
and that it is usually FAMILY or close family friends how molest them...
no one seems to care about those children..
but when one wants to scapegoat the Church... well, all the sudden...
Sorry. Once again, you're wrong. I (and several others here, on TOL) believe that anyone who molests a child should be executed for his/her crime. I get mad whenever I hear about a child being molested, whether it is done by a priest or a teacher or a parent or whomever. I can't speak for anyone else. But, the reason I got mad at the church about the molestations by priests was because we found out that the church (or it's ranking officers) tried to hide what had happened to these children instead of either making the molesters face the consequences of their choices to commit crimes or protecting future children from being molested by these priests.
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