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i heard something about some couple or other who lived that way
just wondering if you know much about that kind of thing...
frankly, i think its the best way to be married...
The Song of Solomon teaches us that a married couple should enjoy the pleasures of each other. Paul also teaches that sex between a husband an wife is a good thing.
If a couple wishes to be celibate that is their choice, fine, but there is nothing biblically that teaches that a celibate marriage is God's model for marriage.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
i heard something about some couple or other who lived that way
just wondering if you know much about that kind of thing...
frankly, i think its the best way to be married...
You don't have to be a Catholic couple to live that way, you just have to be an unhappy couple, and there are plenty of them.
It's sad, because that's not what marriage is about.
Edited to add: (The above wouldn't apply to couples who for rightly-ordered reasons of their own, are in agreement to such an arrangement, and there are numerous reasons for which that would be the case.)
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June 12th, 2012, 10:03 AM
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The Song of Solomon teaches us that a married couple should enjoy the pleasures of each other. Paul also teaches that sex between a husband an wife is a good thing.
If a couple wishes to be celibate that is their choice, fine, but there is nothing biblically that teaches that a celibate marriage is God's model for marriage.
actauly Song of S is an analogy about the love of God for humans
There are those who think that way, and it's their prerogative to be true to their natural inclinations. These people would find it easy to be celibate in whatever vocation in life they've chosen.
However...if such a person is one of a couple, and his/her inclination affects the happiness and the well-being of his/her spouse, things become more complicated. Unless the couple is in agreement, like the one you mentioned in your OP, how could there not be damage done to the expression of the love that's (hopefully) shared between them?
actauly Song of S is an analogy about the love of God for humans
According to the Catholic interpretation, you are correct, according to scripture, yo are wrong. SoS is an Old Testament book and is not written about Christ.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Just because you don't enjoy it does not mean that others should not.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Then you are doing it wrong. It's a wonderful expression of intimacy and love between a husband and wife. But, if a couple is in agreement on a celibate marriage, then that is what works for them.
If you have never experienced the joy and intimacy though, you would never know what you are missing out on in any event.
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June 12th, 2012, 10:30 AM
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how dumb
Correct ... your thread IS dumb.
What is it with Catholics and celibacy? Seriously, if you want to be celibate, do so. However, you cannot even come up with a *biblical* reason for married couples to remain celibate.
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June 12th, 2012, 10:39 AM
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You don't have to be a Catholic couple to live that way, you just have to be an unhappy couple, and there are plenty of them.
It's sad, because that's not what marriage is about.
God gave us sex to enjoy it within the institution of marriage to have children and so that we and our spouses will be ever closer to each other. It's a good and holy thing to do. Not every duty God lays on us has to be unpleasant.
I agree with you that there can be such things as celibate marriage, and such marriages are not necessarily contrary to what God wants. But for most of us, that's not what God wants.
To be clear, what the Catholic Church says is that every person has duty to be chaste.
"Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. Sexuality, in which man's belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman" (CCC 2337).
Chastity and celibacy are not the same thing. Chastity can take different forms according to your station of life. For all non-married persons, this does, of course, mean celibacy. But for married persons, chastity actually involves fulfilling your sexual obligations to your spouse.
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Seriously, if you want to be celibate, do so. However, you cannot even come up with a *biblical* reason for married couples to remain celibate.
It's possible that persons who wish to become perfect late in life, after the children have been born and raised and the like, for the sake of mortifying their bodies, might wish to live celibately with each other.
That said, the idea of entering into a celibate marriage is positively bizarre. I believe that I've read somewhere that if you get married and you don't consummate the union, it's not actually a legitimate marriage.
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