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June 19th, 2012, 09:33 AM
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Your statement is not clear "Crime is crime. Without it, civilization crumbles."
Without it, civilization crumbles? What is the "it" you are talking about?
Without "crime...civilization crumbles"?
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A Republican Responds to Romney’s Evasiveness on this Subject.
Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) said Monday he was "dejected" by presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's performance during an interview Friday in which he was asked repeatedly about President Obama's recently announced policy shift on illegal immigration.
Romney dodged questions about whether he would repeal an administration policy that halts deportation proceedings on some young illegal immigrants. He said instead he would advocate for a long-term, legislative solution to the issue.
But West objected to what he perceived as equivocating, pleading with Romney to take a stand on the issue. "I guess I feel a little bit dejected because I think that it goes back to what my mother taught me, 'a man must stand for something, or else he’ll fall for anything,' " West said on the Laura Ingraham radio show.
The Tea Party favorite went on to attack Obama for having made the move, arguing he unjustly circumvented Congress...
Immigration has been a difficult issue for the Romney, who said during the GOP primaries that he would not support the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act that would offer legal resident status for illegal immigrants who had avoided arrest and either joined the military or enrolled in college.
But Hispanic voters, who will play an important role in several swing states including Colorado, Florida, and Nevada, overwhelmingly support the DREAM Act, and polls show Romney faces a daunting deficit within that demographic.
During a campaign stop Friday, Romney said the president's move would make a long-term solution more difficult.
"I believe the status of young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered and should be solved on a long-term basis so they know what their future would be in this country," Romney said.
The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.
That is because Romney is WEAK on immigration. Crime is crime and the law is the law.
I'm happy for your peace of mind sake that your biblegod puts grace above law.
Our president in this situation is being specifically and selectively gracious without even providing a path towards citizenship with this limited action. Is that a bad thing especially considering that Obama so far wins the award for deporting the most illegal immigrants out of the country.
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June 19th, 2012, 09:45 AM
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I'm happy for your peace of mind sake that your biblegod puts grace above law.
Our president in this situation is being specifically and selectively gracious without even providing a path towards citizenship with this limited action. Is that a bad thing especially considering that Obama so far wins the award for deporting the most illegal immigrants out of the country.
Obama is in a situation of wanting to not have his rear end kicked to the curb, which is what he deserves. His motives are PURELY political, and to deny that is to expose idiocy to the world.
He was a professor of constitutional law, for crying out loud, and yet he deliberately flushes the constitution down the toilet every opportunity he has. He isn't ignorant of laws...he purposefully ignores them.
I wasn't speaking of religious law...I am speaking of civil law. That is what we have to deal with for now.
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The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.
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June 19th, 2012, 09:46 AM
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I know - I was just pulling you chain.
I can't be deadly serious all the time.
IT'S ALL SERIOUS!! ALL THE TIME!!
The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.
Our president in this situation is being specifically and selectively gracious without even providing a path towards citizenship with this limited action. Is that a bad thing especially considering that Obama so far wins the award for deporting the most illegal immigrants out of the country.
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I wasn't speaking of religious law...I am speaking of civil law. That is what we have to deal with for now.
Your knowledge of the first does not color your perspective on the other? We have a legal system partial based on the Ten Commandments, still there are examples of the strict Old Testament God being gracious.
Last edited by bigbang123; June 19th, 2012 at 10:25 AM.
Republicans have supplied the hammer that Obama is now beating them over the head with.
Obama only had the opportunity to make the popular move of stopping deportations of law-abiding young people who would be eligible for the DREAM Act because Republicans blocked the DREAM Act.
Was it fair for the President to blindside poor Mitt on the eve of his first big interview on Natonal television where he wasn't being spoon fed softball questions by Sean Hannity on Fox, but so not ready to answer real questions with Bob Shieffer ( CBS ), by announcing that kids whose parents brought them here illegally would no longer be deported? Poor Mitt had less than 24 hours for his handlers to come up with some kind of reply to Obama's gutsy move and that was clearly not enough, as Romney hemed and hawed while Mr. Shieffer vainly and repeatedly tried to squeeze some kind of legitimate answer from Mr. " I'll have to get back to you 's" imitation of Sarah Palin.
How does he start to undo this damage with the millions of Latin voters in this country? A photo op at Taco Bell won't help.
The Dream Act, a decade-old bill that previously passed the House but failed in the Senate in 2010
Senate Republicans who previously signed on to immigration reform bills have backed away since Obama took office…
House and Senate Republican leaders have been virtually silent since Obama announced the immigration directive on Friday. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declined to take questions on the subject during a speaking event that same day. The president's move has put them, along with Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, in the tough position of either angering their conservative base by supporting it or alienating Latino voters by opposing it.
Obama threw his support behind a reform framework agreed to in July 2010 by Sens. Schumer and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). That proposal, which mirrored a House bill with 100 Democratic cosponsors, would have allowed undocumented immigrants who have jobs, are in school or serve in the U.S. military to "earn legalization" by registering with the government, passing background checks, learning English and paying taxes and fees.
That bill never advanced, however, because it did not pick up Republican supporters.
The Dream Act, a decade-old bill that previously passed the House but failed in the Senate in 2010
Senate Republicans who previously signed on to immigration reform bills have backed away since Obama took office…
House and Senate Republican leaders have been virtually silent since Obama announced the immigration directive on Friday. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declined to take questions on the subject during a speaking event that same day. The president's move has put them, along with Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, in the tough position of either angering their conservative base by supporting it or alienating Latino voters by opposing it.
Obama threw his support behind a reform framework agreed to in July 2010 by Sens. Schumer and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). That proposal, which mirrored a House bill with 100 Democratic cosponsors, would have allowed undocumented immigrants who have jobs, are in school or serve in the U.S. military to "earn legalization" by registering with the government, passing background checks, learning English and paying taxes and fees.
That bill never advanced, however, because it did not pick up Republican supporters.
Several times in the last few days Romney has vaguely (without specfics) said that when he gets into office that he would address the subject of comprehensive-immigration-reform making Obama's stop gap measure put in place on 6/15/2012 moot.
International Secretary-Treasurer, Service Employees International Union (SEIU) / 2.1 million members
posted: 06/19/2012 12:41 pm
President Obama is showing great courage in taking this first step towards bringing sanity to this dysfunctional immigration system. The president's move presents a stark contrast with the GOP's presumptive presidential nominee who has vowed to stop the DREAM Act if elected. In Congress, polarizing partisan politics kept the DREAM Act from becoming law in 2010...
The idea to grant legal relief to young people who were brought to the U.S. as children as long as they meet tough qualifications has long been advocated by educators, the military, small business and organized labor as well as religious leaders from various faiths...
We are calling on the GOP -- their presidential candidate Romney and their members in Congress to fish or cut bait. It is time for them to join President Obama in setting aside partisan posturing and work together on passing a common sense reform that will benefit workers, businesses and society.
We make this pledge. We will redouble our efforts to register and mobilize 12 million Latinos to vote on November 6 and reward candidates who will put good public policy above political wedge issue posturing...
America cannot afford to continue waiting for Congress to do its job. The time is now.
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June 19th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by vegascowboy
I just don't understand how folks try to justify crime for the sake of children. Crime is crime. Without it, civilization crumbles.
Not all crimes are created equal. Not all laws are just. Claiming that violating or changing some of them is going to cause the end of civilization is ridiculous.
Is illegal immigration really the crime its made out to be? Major US Companies advertize in Mexico to attract illegals to come work in their factories. Why is it the illegals are the ones that are punished? Oh I know because corporate interests have bought US politicians. There are reasons undocumented workers come to the US, policy makers have simply chosen not to actually deal with the problems because the status quo is better for business. Illegals can be exploited with low wages and no benefits and they can depress wages for other low skill workers, but overall their impact is minimal.
It's only because unemployment is high and native whites feel they need a scapegoat that there's any opposition to this idea at all.
The influx of immigrants has essentially stopped anyway. So this argument is like closing the barn door after the horses are already gone. The only thing left is to deal with the aftermath, the kids covered in the executive order/dream act. Besides, most Americans support the idea.
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What of these children? If they are allowed to stay and their parents are deported....what then? Are YOU going to take them all in? Should we allow the parents to stay? Why have laws at all?
Depends on the age of the kids doesn't it? Aren't you going a little overboard?
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June 19th, 2012, 01:21 PM
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Not all crimes are created equal. Not all laws are just.
Ok...so we can ignore the ones we feel are unjust? This will be a great day!
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Claiming that violating or changing some of them is going to cause the end of civilization is ridiculous.
Cancer begins with a single cell.
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Is illegal immigration really the crime its made out to be?
Yes.
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Major US Companies advertize in Mexico to attract illegals to come work in their factories. Why is it the illegals are the ones that are punished?
Agreed! They shouldn't be the only ones that are punished. Punish them both.
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There are reasons undocumented workers come to the US, policy makers have simply chosen not to actually deal with the problems because the status quo is better for business.
Absolutely there are reasons. Illegal immigrants aren't interested in improving their own country's situation, they are interested in destroying ours for their own gain.
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Illegals can be exploited with low wages and no benefits and they can depress wages for other low skill workers, but overall their impact is minimal.
Oh! I see! So crime can be excused now and again as long as the overall benefit is outweighs the negative.
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It's only because unemployment is high and native whites feel they need a scapegoat that there's any opposition to this idea at all.
Nope. I felt this way even when unemployment was LOW.
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The influx of immigrants has essentially stopped anyway.
The influx of LEGAL immigrants is down because it's so easy to skip the law and sneak in through the back door.
Surely you can't mean that the influx of ILLEGAL immigrants has essentially stopped? If that is the case, we should hurry and tell the border guards that the danger they are facing is only imaginery.
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So this argument is like closing the barn door after the horses are already gone. The only thing left is to deal with the aftermath, the kids covered in the executive order/dream act.
And who will take care of these kids? You? Should we allow their parents to stay to take care of them. All that will do is ensure that every illegal immigrant who sets foot on US soil will become pregnant as quickly as possible.
Should we start yet another government program that will punish those who obey the law and reward those who break it? Don't worry, I'm sure that will be the case.
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Depends on the age of the kids doesn't it? Aren't you going a little overboard?
I don't believe I am. Of course, that is only my opinion. I guess I'm tired of folks embracing crime and villifying the law.
The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.
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Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
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June 19th, 2012, 02:14 PM
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Ok...so we can ignore the ones we feel are unjust? This will be a great day!
No, you change the ones that are unjust. That's what the president has been trying to do.
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Cancer begins with a single cell.
And illegal immigration = cancer. Right. You're in need of a serious reality check.
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Agreed! They shouldn't be the only ones that are punished. Punish them both.
When there's legislation that targets the employer as harshly as the illegal worker, I'll be more interested. Otherwise it's like throwing someone's kid in jail when the parent tells them to rob the store.
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Absolutely there are reasons. Illegal immigrants aren't interested in improving their own country's situation, they are interested in destroying ours for their own gain.
You seriously believe this?
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Oh! I see! So crime can be excused now and again as long as the overall benefit is outweighs the negative.
No, the question is does it make any sense to keep laws that make something a crime that isn't actually harming us?
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The influx of LEGAL immigrants is down because it's so easy to skip the law and sneak in through the back door.
Surely you can't mean that the influx of ILLEGAL immigrants has essentially stopped? If that is the case, we should hurry and tell the border guards that the danger they are facing is only imaginery.
And who will take care of these kids? You? Should we allow their parents to stay to take care of them. All that will do is ensure that every illegal immigrant who sets foot on US soil will become pregnant as quickly as possible.
Um, have you even read the executive order/dream act?
Obama's executive order applies to illegal immigrants who:
Came to the United States under the age of 16.
Have continuously resided in the United States for at least five years preceding the date of the memorandum and are present in the United States on the date of the memorandum.
Are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a general education development certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States.
Have not been convicted of a felony offence, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise poses a threat to national security or public safety.
Are not above the age of 30.
These are young people but not very young people that will not be taking care of themselves within a short period of time.
And seriously? You're still talking about anchor babies . . .
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
Oh! I see! So crime can be excused now and again as long as the overall benefit is outweighs the negative.
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