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June 20th, 2012, 10:25 AM

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz1yKx8dMQR

Allan Wernick is an attorney and director of the City University of New York's Citizenship Now! project.


Immigration law is his field - I would say that he is a better guide on this issue than a plumber.

What do you think and who pays you for your counsel?
I think you can listen to him if you want to. I'm just looking at the history of Obama's promises regarding his "hands-off" policies.



   
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June 20th, 2012, 12:39 PM

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I'm just looking at the history of Obama's promises regarding his "hands-off" policies.
You want "hands-off" - google Jose Antonio Vargas

He is an illegal alien who voluntarily outed himself as an illegal last year
and has yet to be deported.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/ma...gewanted=print

He arrived in this country from the Philippines in 1993 when he was 12 years old.

He is also a college graduate and Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist.

http://www.zimbio.com/Jose+Antonio+Vargas/articles

Obama's new decree does not apply to Mr. Vargas since he is now 31 and the cut-off age per Obama is 30.



   
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June 20th, 2012, 07:22 PM

I still think it's a political ploy to garner the Latino vote. Too bad most of them are Catholic. Obama should have known better than to attack their religion.



   
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June 20th, 2012, 07:33 PM

No doubt the growing number of Hispanic voters will be positively influenced by Obama's order. But do will most other voters:

Almost two-thirds of likely voters approve of President Obama’s order that allows more than 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the United States without fear of deportation, according to a Bloomberg poll published Tuesday.

The survey showed 64-percent overall support for the directive and 66-percent backing by independents.

Last Friday, Obama instructed the Department of Homeland Security to stop deporting illegal immigrants who entered the US before age 16, have lived here for at least five years, and are enrolled in high school, hold high school diplomas, or are military veterans in good standing. To be exempt from deportation, immigrants also must be younger than 30 and have clean criminal records.

http://bostonglobe.com/news/politics...lrJ/story.html

It's why Romney was so reluctant to take a stand on the issue. If he opposes it, he's alienated a large number of Americans. If he endorses, it, he loses the racist vote he must have in order to win.

Rock and a hard place.





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June 20th, 2012, 07:55 PM

Do you really think there are enough racists in America to sway a Presidential election, Barb?



   
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June 20th, 2012, 09:03 PM

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this is political posturing/pandering pure and simple
A politican doing something political - this must stop now.

especially, if it is working

The Deferred Action Policy

In June, the Obama administration announced a policy that could help nearly 1 million DREAMers stay in this country and contribute to their communities through work, education, or military duty.

This isn’t a complete fix to America’s broken immigration system, but it is a big step forward. Voto Latino created a handy graphic to help our supporters -- and the DREAMers we all know -- to help sort out exactly what this new policy means.

http://votolatino.org/infograph/drea...e&sc=sp4606706



   
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June 21st, 2012, 06:06 AM

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All this does is encourage more illegal people to come here and bring their kids..
Checklist on the new Obama policy:
 
1) Good for a limited number of hardworking, honest immigrants made illegal by their parents? Check.

(Obama is saying to young immigrants, made illegal by their parents, who are in school, have graduated from high school or served in the U.S. military and have not gotten in trouble with the law: OK, you can stay and are permitted to work. For now.)
 
2) Good for America because it will bring in more taxes? Check.

(young immigrants, made illegal by their parents, will have to come "out of the shadows" and apply for their EAD card. they must register. The card will bear their photograph and fingerprint and a number that allows them to be tracked. they also have to pay their taxes.)
 
3) Good for America because it will increase security? Check.

(young immigrants, made illegal by their parents, will have to come "out of the shadows" and apply for their EAD card. they must register. The card will bear their photograph and fingerprint and a number that allows them to be tracked. they also have to pay their taxes.)

4) Good for Obama politically? Check.

(it is much like the plan that Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, a Cuban-American, had spoken about but never wrote up or presented which was praised by Romney)
 
5) Good because it shows that a do-nothing Congress is a Congress that Obama can, at least, momentarily bypass? Check.

(in 2010 Congress was close to passing the Dream Act but republicans blocked it)


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...4-25A419DFB738



   
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June 21st, 2012, 06:23 AM

Immigration reform,government policy from a Common Sense position.
1. Secure the border, and the ports.
2. English is the only language utilized by the government and schools.
No bilingual,muliti language forms for voting,driver's license, bi-lingual education... Why? because in order
to be a citizen the individual must demonstrate a proficiency in
English.
3. No benefits for illegal aliens, no housing, no health care, public schools
no welfare, ....
4. No anchor babies.

Any illegal immigration reform that does not hold these basic tenants is just a charade for eventual amnesty. Government policies that don't address these basic reforms foster isolation, enclaves, and disunity. Good day.



   
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June 21st, 2012, 02:35 PM

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Immigration reform,government policy from a Common Sense position.
1. Secure the border, and the ports.
2. English is the only language utilized by the government and schools.
No bilingual,muliti language forms for voting,driver's license, bi-lingual education... Why? because in order
to be a citizen the individual must demonstrate a proficiency in
English.
3. No benefits for illegal aliens, no housing, no health care, public schools
no welfare, ....
4. No anchor babies.

Any illegal immigration reform that does not hold these basic tenants is just a charade for eventual amnesty. Government policies that don't address these basic reforms foster isolation, enclaves, and disunity. Good day.
The Obama alternative sounds confused.

Mitt Romney NALEO Speech Does Not Clarify Stance On Obama Immigration Policy

Posted: 06/21/2012 12:41 pm

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- Mitt Romney promised Latinos on Thursday that he would swiftly reform the American immigration system -- once again without saying whether he would end President Obama's policy allowing some young undocumented immigrants reprieve from fear of deportation.

Romney's remarks were a far cry from his comments on immigration during the Republican primary, which he has since backed away from. Romney promised on Thursday to end caps on some green cards for families, and, echoing Obama, said he would "staple a green card" to the diplomas of non-citizens who obtain an advanced degree in the United States. Military service members would also be given a path to legal status.

During the bruising Republican primary, Romney was one of the candidates who veered hardest to the right on immigration. He promised to veto the Dream Act and called Arizona a model to the nation for its law requiring employers to check the legal status of all job applicants using the federal E-Verify program.

Regarding Latino voters, about half know someone who is undocumented, and nearly a third believe the Republican Party is hostile toward Latinos in general. The Dream Act is overwhelmingly popular among Latino voters, and a poll released Monday showed that most Americans support the president's decision.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1615688.html



   
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June 21st, 2012, 06:14 PM

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Do you really think there are enough racists in America to sway a Presidential election, Barb?
Good question. Let's take a look...

At the heart of America’s persistent racial divide is a fundamental disagreement over the frequency and severity of discrimination against African-Americans. When asked, vast majorities—89 percent of blacks and 80 percent of whites—agree that racial stereotyping still occurs in America today.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...over-race.html

And here's one reason why:

The other, however, suggests a black-sounding name remains an impediment to getting a job. After responding to 1,300 classified ads with dummy resumes, the authors found black-sounding names were 50 percent less likely to get a callback than white-sounding names with comparable resumes.

If nothing else, the first paper, by the NBER's Roland Fryer and the University of Chicago's Steven Levitt, based on California birth data, provides probably the most detailed snapshot yet of distinctive naming practices. It shows, for instance, that in recent years, more than 40 percent of black girls were given names that weren't given to even one of the more than 100,000 white girls born in the state the same year.

http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/...rimination.asp

That's hard to overcome. BTW, it doesn't mean that those employers were consciously trying to exclude blacks from the workplace. Unconscious assumptions probably had a lot more to do with it.

But there it is. We have a long way to go. And yes, if Romney endorses a plan to do something about millons of young people who grew up in America, but were brought here illegally as children, he will pay a price, a price that could be the difference between being president and not being president.





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June 21st, 2012, 10:00 PM

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The Obama alternative sounds confused.
*My basic tenants on illegal immigrants, Government policy stand.
*For the record I am not a Republican,so posting articles about Mitt are of no consequence to me or my positions.
*Why don't you try and put your own thoughts on dealing with illegal immigrants. good day.



   
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Good question. Let's take a look...

At the heart of America’s persistent racial divide is a fundamental disagreement over the frequency and severity of discrimination against African-Americans. When asked, vast majorities—89 percent of blacks and 80 percent of whites—agree that racial stereotyping still occurs in America today.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...over-race.html

And here's one reason why:

The other, however, suggests a black-sounding name remains an impediment to getting a job. After responding to 1,300 classified ads with dummy resumes, the authors found black-sounding names were 50 percent less likely to get a callback than white-sounding names with comparable resumes.

If nothing else, the first paper, by the NBER's Roland Fryer and the University of Chicago's Steven Levitt, based on California birth data, provides probably the most detailed snapshot yet of distinctive naming practices. It shows, for instance, that in recent years, more than 40 percent of black girls were given names that weren't given to even one of the more than 100,000 white girls born in the state the same year.

http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/...rimination.asp

That's hard to overcome. BTW, it doesn't mean that those employers were consciously trying to exclude blacks from the workplace. Unconscious assumptions probably had a lot more to do with it.

But there it is. We have a long way to go. And yes, if Romney endorses a plan to do something about millons of young people who grew up in America, but were brought here illegally as children, he will pay a price, a price that could be the difference between being president and not being president.
If they're as hardcore racist as you say they are, wouldn't they still vote for Romney on principle?



   
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*My basic tenants on illegal immigrants, Government policy stand.
*For the record I am not a Republican,so posting articles about Mitt are of no consequence to me or my positions.
*Why don't you try and put your own thoughts on dealing with illegal immigrants.
There are over 300,000,000 million people in this country (each with a different opinion), It seems the most reasonable to get behind one of the two people (Obama or Romney) whose policies and practices make the most sense.

Forget the ideal or perfect solution - that is never going to happen.

Because everyone has a different idea of what is the ideal and perfect solution.

I choose Obama. Who do you choose?



   
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There are over 300,000,000 million people in this country (each with a different opinion), It seems the most reasonable to get behind one of the two people (Obama or Romney) whose policies and practices make the most sense.

Forget the ideal or perfect solution - that is never going to happen.

Because everyone has a different idea of what is the ideal and perfect solution.

I choose Obama. Who do you choose?



   
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*My basic tenants on illegal immigrants, Government policy stand.
*For the record I am not a Republican,so posting articles about Mitt are of no consequence to me or my positions.
*Why don't you try and put your own thoughts on dealing with illegal immigrants.
An interesting quote from the Director of the National Immigration Forum Action Fund (Ali Noorani) in response to Romney's speech yesterday.

"Americans voters want - and the Republican party needs - visionary plans to fix the immigration system, not tweaks around the margin where the only path to legal status for grandmothers is to enlist in the military"



   
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