i probably would NOT be a Christian if the Bible was all i had...
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June 20th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
how does this psg contradict the notion that the Church is ALSO suffient? It doesn't... soemthing ELSE the Bible does not say... but it is true nonetheless... The Bible doesn't say a lot of things that are true. All truth cannot be placed into a small book... and the bible is nothing but small in comparison to all the truth there is in the world/universe...
in any case, this pssg does not say that the Bible is the ONLY
all it says is that it is suffient for teaching... for bringing one to a knowledge of salvation
The Bible is incomplete and was NEVER meant to be ALL a Christain has
if that were true, Jesus would have said to the Apostles: Write down my words and spread them to the whole world.
If he did say such a thing, it is NOT written in the Bible... which would disclaim YOUR doctrine right there... sola scriptura
He said to PREACH the Word... and baptize (Mt 28)
there was no written New T for at least 40 yrs after the Ascension
and even then there were no bibles as we know them today... the printing press not having been invented until 1440
no Christians until then?
The apostles were personally traveling around at that point, and they had written letters to congregations that were read aloud and passed around.
But than again, I think the scriptures are nice, but unnecessary if you truly are a christian.
When you consider that it is scriptures that truly have divided Christianty... things need to be rethought about the christian life.
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June 20th, 2012, 10:26 AM
Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
aren't u one of those osasers??? eternal securtiy
you dont want to be bringing up this one, then... it mentions WORKS
This psg says MAY be perfect
If all one had were the Bible
he COULD, conceivably, become "pefect" as far as... avoiding Hell
but again, God wanted people to have MORE than... just avoiding Hell... Not too many avoid Purgatory... Only the saints managed to do that.. and of course there are more saints than just the ones who happend to be canonized...
with all the inconsistencies and seeming contradictions in the Bible
and all the different interpretations in the nonCatholic realm...
i would say that "Christianity" is too contradictory, illogical... divisive...
for me to accept
there is the Church
The bible outside the context of the Church that produced it
is like a fish out of water
we all know how long the fish will last outside of water...
The roman catholic church didn't produce the bible. The old testament was complete long before the new testament books were put together.
Christ Himself quoted the breadth of them as well - clearly showing the correct old testament scriptures didn't include the catholic apocrypha either.
Christ stated :
Luke 11:48 In fact, you bear witness that you approve the deeds of your fathers; for they indeed killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.
52 “Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.”
Christ called the old testament scriptures the key of knowledge. He also cited the entire breadth in the hebrew division of those books, which starts in genesis (blood of abel) to 2 Chronicles.
The hebrew division of the ot scriptures ends with 2 chronicles but carries all the same identical books that protestants use today - the books are just arranged differently and we divide a couple books into 2 parts where theirs kept them as one.
he Tanakh consists of twenty-four books: it counts as one book each Samuel, Kings, Chronicles and Ezra-Nehemiah and counts Trei Asar (תרי עשר, the Twelve Prophets; literally "twelve") as a single book.
Most versions of the Christian Old Testament count Samuel, Kings, Chronicles and Ezra-Nehemiah as two books each, and the "Twelve Prophets" (or the minor prophets) as 12 books, giving rise to a count of 39 books for the Old Testament.
For more information on the hebrew scripture division:
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June 20th, 2012, 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Lighthouse
Except that people are ignorant and want to interpret any message from God because they don't want to believe He could be straightforward because we'd be "too lowly to understand Him." They want to treat it like art, as though it's valid to say it has a different meaning for every person.
Divine revelation should be able to surpass any ignorance, and have the exact same meaning for every person exposed to it, whether directly or otherwise.
Sort of like two plus two always equaling four, to an infinite number of decimal places.
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