[NewDay]

Originally Posted by themuzicman

Which is why I said, "in reality, no."

Ok, thanks Muzic....I am in agreement with you.

The flesh alone cannot keep the law of moses.

Only by faith is sin not imputed. Faith gives free righteousness apart from the law!...by faith a man can be deemed righteouss, but, it can never come by the flesh alone, apart from faith...so, if I am reading you right, when you said, 'by theory', and be careful to keep it as God intended, you were referring to 'faith', right?

By ONE faith, all men are in One body through Jesus Christ.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by One In Christ

Yes, and only one Man has ever done it... Can you guess who?

Jesus did not keep the law of moses, as in the 'letter' or stone form. He was never subject to it. It was made for sinners.

He did keep the law in the form that He Himself gave to mankind, from the beginning, the same magnified law that all of us are under.

The law of Christ.

(you still did not vote. Would you please do so?)

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

That was my only point to her, that a righteousness in the law existed.

Ok, good. We have that established.

Their is only one faith....are you in it? Do you have the faith of Abraham, that places a man to be a heir in Christ?

It is STILL not a righteoussness through the law of moses, that NO man shall be found justified/or righteouss, through.

Do you still want to claim that a man can be justified/righteouss through the law of moses?

..or was it by faith?

Faith is not of the law of moses, STP.

The two shall never meet.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

There's also a difference, here


Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.


vs


Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:



But, again, my only point was to show NewDay there was a righteousness in the law that she is ignorant of.

I am not ignorant that there is a righteoussness freely given to all who keep the law by FAITH...but, it was the 'law of moses' that no man shall be found righteouss through, so stick to the topic. You were trying to claim that a man could be found righteouss through the LAW OF MOSES...that is a lie.



My difference with you is that you place those of faith from old, as in a different faith than us.

There is no difference.

There is one faith and if you be IN Christ, you are a heir of the promise. The same promise that God gave to Abraham..Abraham never had his heart in earthly land..his heart was in the heavenly land..as has been demonstrated to you over and over but you refuse to stand corrected. Devidiing the BOC up as you see fit, when God is not pleased with such nonsense.

Land promises NEVER offered salvation....the promise of the SEED, did.

Abraham was given the promise of the SEED.

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by NewDay

Who here thinks there is such a thing as 'righteousness by the law of moses'?

my guess is that 90% of the Christian world has no idea what that means
and
that includes me

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by meshak

NewDay,

You said the Ten commandments are not Jesus' commandments. So you dont know what you are talking about.

And you still did not answer my question. Do you admit that you said the ten is not Jesus' commandments?

I have answered your question more times than I can count.

NO, there is no righteoussness to be found in the law of moses...PERIOD. The righteousness that Abraham was found in, was never by the law of moses.

It was by faith.

The law of moses can never make a man righteouss. If it could, Jesus died in vain.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

my guess is that 90% of the Christian world has no idea what that means
and
that includes me

thank you for your honest answer.

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by NewDay

thank you for your honest answer.

do you not want to communicate with the Christian world?

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by NewDay

I am not ignorant that there is a righteoussness freely given to all who keep the law by FAITH.

My difference with you is that you place those of faith from old, as in a different faith than us.

There is no difference.

There is one faith and if you be IN Christ, you are a heir of the promise. The same promise that God gave to Abraham..Abraham never had his heart in earthly land..his heart was in the heavenly land..as has been demonstrated to you over and over but you refuse to stand corrected. Devidiing the BOC up as you see fit, when God is not pleased with such nonsense.

Land promises NEVER offered salvation....the promise of the SEED, did.

Abraham was given the promise of the SEED.

You can read it here:

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

So, do not tell me there is a righteoussness 'by the law of moses'.


LOL

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:


Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.


Only OUTSIDE THE LAW OF MOSES, IS THERE NO TRANSGRESSION.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

do you not want to communicate with the Christian world?

of course I do...but, if you do not have enough knowledge to vote in this thread, (basic knowledge of the gospel), there is not much I can do about it..sir. Just read, I guess, and make your own decision.

[chrysostom]

2 Peter 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

That was my only point to her, that a righteousness in the law existed.

WRONG, there was NEVER NO righteousness in the law of MOSES.

You should wait and let Muzic confirm if his theory includes the law of moses...or if he was referring to the law of FAITH.

Two laws, only one has righteousness in it. Moses's law never did..and, that is clear in the bible, whether you want to admit your error or not.

By it, (the law of MOSES, shall NO flesh be deemed righteouss, or justified)

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.


Rom 3:21 ¶ But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Abraham knew of this..he witnessed it to us, and for us, along with the prophets, who spoke of the only way of salvation.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Abraham was justified by the same faith that any christian today is.

There is only one faith.

[DansingWall]

ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and THY RIGHTEOUSNESS as the waves of the sea:

Well we all know who our Redeemer is. The Holy One of Israel. Whats He telling us?

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

2 Peter 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Yep

[NewDay]

Originally Posted by DansingWall

ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and THY RIGHTEOUSNESS as the waves of the sea:

Well we all know who our Redeemer is. The Holy One of Israel. Whats He telling us?

To walk in love.

Faith works it.