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It's only the fairy tales they believe.
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July 18th, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
I disagree.. one of the big selling points of the PPACA was the removal of lifetime maximum benefits that exist on some policies. That removal brings with it the expectation that everyone will be in a position to have every possible last cent spent on their healthcare.
The removal of lifetime caps on care doesn't mean that there won't be some procedures that are too expensive.
Eternal life is an easy promise to make and a hard one to fulfill.
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A thousand times I've failed, still Your mercy remains.
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July 18th, 2012, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Granite
Because a lot of Americans are selfish callous money-grubbing reactionaries who don't understand your system well at all.
Sadly, after what I've been reading and hearing recently, I have to agree with you.
At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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It's only the fairy tales they believe.
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July 18th, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
And the moment someone is denied a procedure as being too expensive... it will reach national news in a matter of minutes.
It's already happened, and it only makes the national news in discussions of up-and-coming treatments that may be more widely available in the future. For instance, there are cancer treatments, which have shown significant results, that require the creation of customize immune cells. This generation of genetically modified immune cells is extremely expensive, and for that reason, it is only available on an experimental basis. If we can find a way to make it cheaper, this treatment may become available more widely, but right now, it is too expensive to offer.
Eternal life is an easy promise to make and a hard one to fulfill.
The idea that society can function better on a collective level (the total is greater than the sum of its parts) is pretty old school. In fact, it's found in both the Old and New Testaments. There is a social consensus in countries such as the UK that everyone can access an efficient, minimum standard of healthcare if everyone contributes together. And this contribution is based on what you can afford, not on the severity of your medical condition.
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You did claim you thought British doctors were underpaid (post 70).
Link? Because I'm pretty sure I said they were not paid properly, not that they were underpaid.
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They do, but based on medical efficacy, not on profit margins. I believe I already mentioned that my mother was able to receive very expensive treatment because it works.
And some people are left to die because it is decided it's not worth it to save them.
Sadly, after what I've been reading and hearing recently, I have to agree with you.
USA! USA!
This boils down to misconceptions and money. The fact that we're the last civilized nation on earth without national healthcare and with active capital punishment seems a little fitting, for some twisted reason...
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.
Stealing is rebellion ( defiance, disobedience, rebelliousness, insubordination, subversion, subversiveness, resistance.) to God.
Is this what you do if you LOVE God?
If you agree with Rock Head on anything then pretty much you are in the Hate God category.
Paying taxes is never biblically equated with stealing. (If I'm wrong, show me.) In fact, we are instructed to pay taxes - not simply tithe offerings - but taxes. Of course, this doesn't mean we should question or challenge what our taxes are spent on, or how much we pay.
The question though is not whether we believe we as individuals are being too heavily taxed but whether our taxes are helping to promote Godly principles such as justice, love, mercy, peace and so forth.
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A thousand times I've failed, still Your mercy remains.
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July 19th, 2012, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
Stealing is rebellion ( defiance, disobedience, rebelliousness, insubordination, subversion, subversiveness, resistance.) to God.
Is this what you do if you LOVE God?
If you agree with Rock Head on anything then pretty much you are in the Hate God category.
I don't see it as stealing, nor would the vast majority of my fellow Brits. In fact, I've only ever heard an American say that the system we have in the UK amounts to theft. We see the NHS as a national institution, a system that is fair. Yes it has it's problems as any human system will. But it ensures that rich and poor alike have equal access to healthcare. Why would ANY Christian oppose this?
Who are you to judge me and decide that I hate God? You know nothing about me. If you really want to go down that road then I could just as easily say that you hate God because you are against helping the poor.
Also, using your logic, then pretty much all British Christians are God haters because we support our universal socialist healthcare system. Is this what you think?
At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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A thousand times I've failed, still Your mercy remains.
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July 19th, 2012, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by This Charming Manc
So it is stealing when the Government taxes me to pay for tanks and the death penalty that i am not to keen on ?
It is nice to see you logic is as advanced as I don't like granite so anything he says is wrong.
My daughter is 5 she thinks at a more advanced level than that.
I had never come across this kind of attitude before I came here! Seriously, I don't understand the logic of some people.
At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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It's only the fairy tales they believe.
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July 19th, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lovemeorhateme
I had never come across this kind of attitude before I came here! Seriously, I don't understand the logic of some people.
And that's the answer to your original question. We can't have real national health care in the US because we have a lunatic fringe that's just a little too mainstream, that thinks having it is communism, that insists that we're losing our freedom, etc.
Eternal life is an easy promise to make and a hard one to fulfill.
Paying taxes is never biblically equated with stealing. (If I'm wrong, show me.) In fact, we are instructed to pay taxes - not simply tithe offerings - but taxes. Of course, this doesn't mean we should question or challenge what our taxes are spent on, or how much we pay.
The question though is not whether we believe we as individuals are being too heavily taxed but whether our taxes are helping to promote Godly principles such as justice, love, mercy, peace and so forth.
Taxes that are just. The government has three legitimate purposes.
1. National defense
2. Justice system, cops, judges.
3. Infrastructure, roads, sewers, water.
These are things that an individual can't do himself...
Your health care is your responsibility, just like paying for your plumber.
All your love peace mercy and so forth is just sophistry.
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