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Hi to all , it is obvious that I am against Purgatory .
Heb 1:3 , " when He had by Himself PURGED ours SINS ."
We do not need to pay or pray for any one in an IMAGINARY place called PURGATORY .
After Christ PURGED OUR SINS , He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high .
dan p
What they call "Purgatory" is just the grave, or in Jesus' case, it was the Tomb / Grave. It is also called the "Pit", and the "Bottomless Pit" is the Grave of Hell, where there is no bottom, and where the worm never dies; (( Parable ))!!!! The "bottomless" is really referring to the Truth that those who are there cannot ( SEE ) anything beyond themselves. - It is filled with Truth / the Flames of God, that they refused to see. They are Baptized in the Flames of Truth, not the Waters of Truth. --- That is the eternal flood that is spoken of in the end!!
Paul -- 071112
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
Hi to all , it is obvious that I am against Purgatory .
Heb 1:3 , " when He had by Himself PURGED ours SINS ."
We do not need to pay or pray for any one in an IMAGINARY place called PURGATORY .
After Christ PURGED OUR SINS , He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high .
dan p
Good post Dan, there is no Purgatory. That is something the early church threw in to make money from loved ones.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 11th, 2012, 02:03 PM
On the historic Christian doctrine of purgatory, see here and here.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
July 11th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
That is something the early church threw in to make money from loved ones.
Go ahead and post your "proof" for this claim.
Gaudium de veritate,
Crucioform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
July 11th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAN P
Hi, and why can you never show where the Greek word CHRISTIANOS is found Matt 16:18 or in the other so-called Gospels.Because CHRISTIANOS/CHRISTIAN is not in those 4 letters, admitt it!!It is does not come into existance, until Acts 11:25!!!!!!!
...and this rant is related to purgatory how, exactly...?
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Cruciform's Article says that one soul Enjoys Rest and another Suffering.
So, the Judgement is Circumvented by Perogie-tory.
I think that we will have to get Mary to make a Judgement on this one.
"During the time, moreover, which intervenes between a man's death and the final resurrection, the soul dwells in a hidden retreat, where it enjoys rest or suffers affliction just in proportion to the merit it has earned by the life which it led on earth." Augustine, Enchiridion, 1099 (A.D. 421).
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PS. Dan, I am still waiting for those OSAS verses.
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
July 11th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGA
Cruciform's Article says that one soul Enjoys Rest and another Suffering.So, the Judgement is Circumvented by Perogie-tory.I think that we will have to get Mary to make a Judgement on this one."During the time, moreover, which intervenes between a man's death and the final resurrection, the soul dwells in a hidden retreat, where it enjoys rest or suffers affliction just in proportion to the merit it has earned by the life which it led on earth." Augustine, Enchiridion, 1099 (A.D. 421).
If you ever manage to come up with an actual argument, let me know, hmm?...
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Cruciform's Article says that one soul Enjoys Rest and another Suffering.
So, the Judgement is Circumvented by Perogie-tory.
I think that we will have to get Mary to make a Judgement on this one.
"During the time, moreover, which intervenes between a man's death and the final resurrection, the soul dwells in a hidden retreat, where it enjoys rest or suffers affliction just in proportion to the merit it has earned by the life which it led on earth." Augustine, Enchiridion, 1099 (A.D. 421).
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PS. Dan, I am still waiting for those OSAS verses.
Hi , and I just put up another thread on OSAS , BUT if you are not reading them , "O" WELL !!
Garbage, all are sleeping til he returns. They pull the same thing today with their Mass Cards. Pay me and I will say a prayer. You don't have to pay or send me money, i will pray for you friend, for free.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
...and this rant is related to purgatory how, exactly...?
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
Hi , becuase your RANT in post #4 , you said Historic Christian church , which you rant about but never can prove the the Greek word CHRISTIANOS is not used in the 4 Gospels .
Maybe you think if you keep using it , that makes its TRUE ???
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
July 12th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAN P
Hi , becuase your RANT in post #4 , you said Historic Christian church , which you rant about but never can prove the the Greek word CHRISTIANOS is not used in the 4 Gospels.
Umm... So what?You're the only one who's claiming that it needs to be.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Slogan/motto:
Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
Reputation:
July 12th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
Garbage, all are sleeping til he returns. They pull the same thing today with their Mass Cards. Pay me and I will say a prayer. You don't have to pay or send me money, i will pray for you friend, for free.
So, then, you actually have no proof whatsoever. Thought so...
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
July 11th, 2012, 02:03 PM
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