[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Hobie

Gurucam, do you acknowledge that the things that are in the Bible that are writting in its words unto you are the commandments of the Lord....?

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At least read this, if nothing else:

Hobie, the commandments in the Bible are not for Christians. They are for those who have not yet come onto faith and Christ. The Bible and the commandment therein, are of no value to those who are in Christ. The Bible and the commandment therein, are simply a school master to bring the unaware onto faith and Christ (re. Galatians 3:24-25 and Romans 10:17). The scriptures are the letters. This is confirmed by the Jews in John: 7 verse: 15. The letter killeth only the Spirit giveth life. This is confirmed by Paul in 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 6. Therefore the scriptures killeth. "Killeth means the death of one's own spirit or heart. One must be alive in one's own spirit, one's heart cannot be waxed gross (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16). Then one can have communion with the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into the hearts or spirit(re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7). Then one can be in Christ. The scriptures, which have been confirmed to kill one spiritually, must be dropped by the way side into order to awaken spiritually, i.e. in order to no longer have a heart that is waxed gross (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 17).

The Bible, like all commandment therein, must have long been discarded by those who have achieved faith and Christ. In fact one has to discard the scriptures and all commandments within those scriptures, before one become aware of one's spirit. Only when one is aware of one's spirit that one can search one's spirit to discern what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do. Only when one is led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's,own heart or spirit. Only then does one come under grace of God and one is in Christ. There is no other way.

The act of overcoming as mentioned in Revelation 21:7 is the act of overcoming the waxed grossness of one's heart. This involves dropping all laws, commandments, canons and scriptures for all of these killeth (one's spirit or heart). These make one's heart waxed gross. This is the sad predicament of the Old system under the law, commandments, canons and the scriptures. They all killeth one's spirit.

Jesus confirmed that he has made all things New (re. Revelation 21:5). He made a New appraoch to God's righteousness and this made the old one redundant for those who embraced the New one. However Jesus confirmed that (only) those who overcome will inherit all new things (re. Revelation 21:7. Jesus made a New approach to God's righteousness. This is the New Testament. This is righteousness of God without the law (re. Romans: 3 verse: 21). This New appraoch is through Jesus' Spirit, i.e. the Spirit of Truth. In order to inherit this New Approach (i.e. the New Testament) one must overcome. One must drop all laws, commandments canons and scriptures and so open the way for one's heart to become no longer waxed gross. Only then can one access and embrace the New Testament that is without these things and through the Spirit of Jesus.

To overcome is to be 'born again'. This is to be born of spirit. This is overcome the wax gross-ness of one's heart or spirit. To come into awareness of one's own spirit or heart. Those who overcome, their waxed gross hearts (re. Revelation 21:7) can discern the Spirit of Jesus within their hearts or spirit. This is the first step. This is the step of overcoming. Then they can and must discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned within their (now no longer waxed gross) heart. Then they must be led into their works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, unconditionally (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27). This is where God sent the Spirit of Jesus, into their hearts not in any book (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7). Then God confirmed: now (as from 2000 odd years ago), the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

Only those who are led by the Spirit of Jesus/Holy Spirit, the mind of who is discerned within their own hearts or spirits, are in Christ (re. Romans: 8 verse:14 and 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17). Only they are Christians/children of God.

Those who are led by the Bible and the commandments within the bible are not Christians, they are not 'in Christ'. They are under law, commandments, canons and scriptures (which killeth). They are not under Grace and being in Christ is not for them (re. Galatians: 5 verses: 1 to 4). They are under Peter & Co. They are Moses-ian, flock of Peter, flock of traditional Christianity and others. They are the old people.

Those in Christ are under the Spirit. They are totally different people. They are the new people. They are the flock of Paul. This is the Spirit which was promised by God to Abraham. And like Abraham, those in Christ will be required to routinely transgress the Ten Commandments and all other ideals or laws of society, morality and religiosity, in order to obey the mind of the Spirit which conforms to the will of God (re. Romans: 8 verses:26 & 27). However they must uphold the laws of their land.

The Bible is simply good news. It is simply the good news about how to get onto Truth/Jesus. The Bible is not the Truth. Only Jesus is the Truth. Getting to Truth/Jesus is achieved only, directly and intuitively, from the living Jesus, from His living Spirit through our own spirit (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14). This has nothing to do with physical things, like the Bible (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14). Jesus never could and never did deliver Truth in physically spoken or physically written words. Truth is never deliver in that manner. Truth cannot be physically written down in any book.

Jesus delivered Truth only through His Spirit which is the Spirit of Truth to each person through each of their own spirits or hearts (re. John: 16 verses: 7 & 13). Never in physically spoken or physically written words. Truth (or the Word) is precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit, in real time, all the time (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27). When one is led into one's works by this, one becomes a child of God (re. Romans: 8 verse: 14). Then one differs in no way from Jesus, as He was as a man on earth (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 1). This is why God sent the Spirit of Jesus into human hearts or spirits (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7). Then God made the Divine decree that: now (as from 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

Anyone who teaches anything different, is seriously denying the role of the Spirit and therefore blaspheming the Spirit. Blasphemy of the Spirit is not forgivable. Such a one (who blasphemy the Spirit) is doomed for all eternity (re. Matthews: 12 verse: 31). No one is traditional Christianity seem to have listened. Instead the very great majority of them are saying and promoting that the scriptures are Truth. This means that the very great majority of people in what passes for Christianity have been blaspheming the Spirit. Is it any wonder why many are called and few chosen. You should be very concerned Hobie.

One must be an eternal learner (i.e. one who ask many question, with an open heart) instead of a 'teacher' who parrots what Peter & Co told them and teach them. In that way one will protect oneself from the possibility of serious blasphemy which can lead to eternal damnation. Teachers are a rare and sparsely scattered breed on this earth, at this time. None will be comfortably received and/or comfortably seated among traditional Christians. Governors and Teachers (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 2) are the few among the few. They are not popes, priests, evangelists or pastors, etc.

Governors and teachers (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 2) are not certified through the convention of lettered/intellectual studies and accomplishment. They are intuits. All they need to pray for, say and do and how this is to be done, are revealed to them individually, in real time, all the time, directly and intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus, through their own hearts or spirit. The Spirit of Jesus delivers All Truth (i.e. all knowledge to them through their own heart or spirit. This is how Paul was led and informed. Teachers are the few among the chosen few who know Truth. Truth will be the strangest thing for those held in the grips of traditional Christianity. Teaches are a special breed from among the chosen few. The chosen few all have gifts of the Spirit. Teachers are among the chosen few. However Teachers have a very special gift. They have the precise Gift of the Spirit to know and actually teach the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven which is called Truth. Therefore the chosen few are few and far between. However Teachers are even fewer and father between. You must be very lucky to have contact with a Teacher. None will be found within traditional Christianity (where many are called and few chosen). Error and corruption is passed off (and rules) as Truth in traditional Christianity.

What passes for Christianity can be called Traditional Christianity. It is not Christianity at all. It is simply chuck filled with leader who are false prophets who came in Jesus' name and they are misguiding many. The result of this is, as Jesus' prophesied, many are called (to Christianity) but few chosen. The very great majority of those called (i.e. all but a few) do not get Truth, err and do not make it. Traditional Christianity is simply a remake of the Old Moses-ian church according to the ideas of Satanic (i.e. physically oriented) Peter. The billions of people in traditional Christianity are under laws, commandments, canons and the written scriptures. They are not under Grace and being in Christ is not for them. Although, with their mouths, they repeat slogans about Jesus' and his name, billions of time, in their churches and else where, their voices are week. There voice are not of their hearts or spirit. Their hearts are waxed gross. They are not given to know Truth. For them, it is as if Jesus never came physically and never returned in His Spirit which is eternal. Jesus profited them nothing. They are still looking for Jesus in the physical, which is temporal.

Jesus confirmed that: Many are called but the very great majority (i.e. all but a few) are not chosen, they do not make it. Doesn't this prophesy mean any thing to you? Especially since many are called in the millions of churches (like yours) that are widely held to be Christian churches. Obvious those churches cannot have Truth. Obviously they must be misguiding the very great majority (i.e. all but a few) of their flocks. Obviously they are telling their charges to look for Truth in the Bible and in their canons etc., instead of telling them that Truth can be know only directly and intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus as discerned with their own hearts or spirit. These churches are also promoting that Peter is not Satan, when in fact, Jesus confirmed that Peter was Satan. These millions of churches (called Christian churches) are obviously misguiding their charges and leading them to err and failure. Are you not concerned for you and your and those unsuspecting others? Shouldn't we all be? Do not remain dead in your waters (i.e. your physical body). Drop you pride. Realize that you were fooled like the great majority (all but a few) of those in traditional Christianity. Realize that you are different. You have this golden opportunity to get it right (to get Truth), now in the fullness of time, and not err and be chosen first. God sent you to me. Who else will know truth and tell you Truth, except one from among the few, from among the chosen few?

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[Untellectual]

Gurucam,

What is "the word of truth"?

Untellectual

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Gurucam,

What is "the word of truth"?

Untellectual

"The word of Truth" (for Christians) is one's precise and individual mission in the body of Christ. "The word of Truth" is literally the Word from Jesus.

To get this Word one must know and commune with Jesus in His Spirit. One must note and be guided by: "Now the Lord is that Spirit (of Jesus) and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17) One must note and guided by: God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to7).

Jesus is the Truth.

The word of Truth is the utterance of one's individual mission in the body of Christ as delivered by Jesus/Truth. This is done through an 'unseen' (i.e. none physical) path way. This is delivered to each (spiritually aware) person directly and intuitively from Jesus' Spirit (i.e. the Spirit of Truth) to the individual spirit or heart of each person who is called to God's purpose. The spiritually aware are those who have the first fruit of the Holy Spirit.

The first fruit of the Spirit is to loose the waxed gross covering of one's heart or spirit. Then one is given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven or Truth (re. Mathews: 13 verses: 10 to 16). This is to be born again'. Being 'born again' is not getting the Spirit of Jesus. Being 'born again' does not make one a child of God. Being 'born again' is simply awakening one to one's own spirit. One who is not awakened to his own spirit is 'the dead' as mentioned in Jesus' statement 'let the dead bury their dead'. They are also called children of the flesh or Satan. To be born again is to overcome and so be able to inherit the New Testament in accordance with Revelation 21:7. That is: When one is awakened to one's own spirit then, by going through one's own spirit one can discern and be led by the Spirit of Jesus within one's own spirit and so become a child of God, i.e. one who is saved and delivered.

God sent the Spirit of Jesus into our hearts or spirit so that He can utter the Word to each of us personally and precisely from within our own hearts or spirits.

God has a different 'word of Truth' (i.e. a different mission in the body of Christ) for each person. Our mission in the body of Christ is not simply the revelations of our occupation. It also include direct access to God' server which is the totally of the mysteries of God's kingdom. The Spirit guides us intuitively, in real time all the time into what to pray for, say and do. The Spirit also intuitively provide the precise knowledge which we must know and depart (re. Mark: 13 verse:11). The Spirit also guide us intuitively to whom and where and at what time we must say and do what we do. Under this system one simply obey the intuitive urgings of the Spirit as discerned within our own spirits. Then magically (i.e. through the unseen organization of Jesus in His Spirit) we serve, express and fulfill our real time, heart's need, desires and beliefs and God's real time will, in a most harmonious and heavenly manner. Heaven come to our lives.

The first fruits were deliver by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. This is the awaken of one to one's own spirit or heart. As holders of the first fruit of the Spirit one is still left in groaning, waiting for the adoption (re. Romans: 8 verse: 23). Those in Christ have gone further than simply having the first fruit of the Spirit. The path of this further step is detailed in Romans: 8 verses: 24 to 27. Romans: 8 verse: 24 confirms that we are saved from these groaning by hope. The verses which follows reveals how one is saved by Hope in the unseen Spirit of Jesus, when Jesus through His unseen Spirit, makes intercession on our behalf with God.

Those of us who went further and embrace the revelation in Romans: 8 verses: 24 to 27, are now children of God. We are in Christ. These are the details: Those in Christ are no longer holding only the first fruit of the Spirit. Through, hope (in things not seen), we are saved for we have discerned and embraced the unseen Spirit of Jesus which God sent into our hearts so that we might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 4 to 7). We (those in Christ) are now also in direct communion with the Spirit of Jesus and are led individually and precisely by Jesus through His Spirit. We are led into our works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, as discerned within our own heart or spirit. This makes us children of God with total God given freedom, liberty and justification and absolute entitlement to God's kingdom of heaven everywhere.

Our body is now redeemed. This means that we are no longer led into our carnal activities by the urgings of our flesh. Now we are led into our carnal activities by the Spirit of Jesus as discerned within our own hearts or spirit. In this way we have God given freedom. liberty and justification. In this way, when we do the things that were illegal (i.e. sinful) under the Ten Commandments, the Love commandments, canons and the scriptures and other ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity, we get no sin but are glorified by God for doing do. This is the God given freedom, liberty and justification which Satanic Peter and Co and their follower seek to deny to Christians and so return them (Christians) to bondage under the law, the commandments, their laws and their canons and the scriptures as confirmed in Galatians: 2 verse: 4.

Those who seek to go beyond simply having the first fruit of the Spirit are told to search our hearts or spirit to discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for us to pray for, say and do. This is only for those who have the first fruit of the Spirit which is 'awareness of their own spirit or heart'. This is a move from having a heart that is waxed gross to having a heart that is not waxed gross. Then they are given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). The taste of the Spirit at Pentecost was intended to awaken them (those who had the experience) to their own spirits or hearts. This was only to gain them the first fruit of the Spirit which is awareness of their own individual spirits. To actual come onto Christ required further steps which are laid out in Romans: 8 verses: 24 to 27. The disciples did not pick up this offer. Only Paul did so. Only Paul achieved direct intuitive communion with Jesus in His Spirit (re. Galatians: 1 verse: 12). At the absolute best the disciples had experienced the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. There is evidence in the KJV .T. to suggest that the hearts or spirits of all the disciples (and in particular Peter) remained waxed gross. They remained dead to their own spirits.

Therefore only Paul through the telling of his own experience is our path to saving Grace.

To become a child of God serving our own tailor made divine mission in the body of Christ is to be like Jesus as he was as a man on earth.

This is achieved when in real time, all the time, one is led into all one's works by precisely what the 'unseen and living' Spirit of Jesus has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, as discerned within each of our own 'unseen and living' hearts or spirit in real time, all the time.

What the 'unseen and living' Spirit of Jesus has in mind for each of us to pray for, say and do, as discerned within each of our own 'unseen and living' hearts or spirit, in real time, all the time is "The word of Truth', i.e. the Word of Jesus..

What the 'unseen and living' Spirit of Jesus has in mind for each of us to pray for, say and do, as discerned within each of our own 'unseen and living' hearts or spirit, in real time, all the time is always in line with precisely what God will for each of us, as individuals, in real time, all the time.

Like Abraham and Rehab, under this form of guidance one will be required by both Jesus and God to transgress the Ten Commandments, the Love commandments, canons, the scriptures and all other ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity but not the laws of the land.

When we are led by the Spirit in the above manner we express and fulfill the needs, desires and aspirations of our own spirit and we also do God's will, simultaneously.

Under this form of guidance we enjoy absolute God given freedom, justification and liberty (to do what our own heart desires) and we are glorified by God, (just as Jesus).

This my friend is the Christan message, nothing else is the Christian message. This is the gospel of uncircumcised (i.e. righteousness of God without any laws) which was committed onto Paul.

All the other messages are for guiding and managing the unaware (until they become spiritually aware). These are not Christian messages. These messages are designed to stop their blaspheming ways so that their spirits might be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus. In this commission the unawares are under Satan/Peter. It is from this catchment that 'many are called but few chosen'. Apparently it is not expected that Peter will be even marginally successful in stopping his charges from blaspheming, so that their spirits may be saved in the day of our lord Jesus (re. 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5).

It is clear, in plain day light that, they promote that Truth is found in the Bible when that is the work of Jesus in His Spirit. They have been blaspheming and continue to blasphemy the Spirit. This blasphemy lead to eternal damnation.

If Peter did not deny that he was appointed to serve Jesus as Satan, less people would have been misled. Satan is a child of the flesh. He is simple a human who is led by his own intellectualizing instead of by precisely what the 'unseen and living' Spirit of Jesus has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, as discerned within each of our own 'unseen and living' hearts or spirit in real time, all the time. Peter always was a child of the flesh or Satanic. He was always led by his physical side.

Children of God are led into their works by precisely what the 'unseen and living' Spirit of Jesus has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, as discerned intuitively (not intellectually) within each of our own 'unseen and living' hearts or spirit in real time, all the time. Paul had this actualization and was led in this manner. Peter did not achieve this level. Peter was still led intellectually i.e. by his physical side.

There are revelations in the KJV N.T. which support the above, literally and completely.

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[OMEGA]

Hey Guru man,

How about these Scriptures..

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

[RevTestament]

Gurucam - It is almost ironic that you quote the Bible as the source of truth to say that it doesn't contain truth for mature Christians. You are mistaken about the law as well. You rely far too heavily on your interpretation of Paul's letters.

I know others have been round with you on this subject so I doubt I will do much good, but here goes:
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy cmind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


This one is for Gurucam 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[Untellectual]

Gurucam,

The time you spent composing your last post on this thread is not unnoticed. Neither is that you are incorrect on many points. You have too much of man's ideas, and not enough of God's truth.

Here are some verses to help you on your way.

Psalm 119:43 And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.

2 Corinthians 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

[john w]

"The Bible is simply good news. It is simply the good news about how to get onto Truth/Jesus. The Bible is not the Truth.Only Jesus is the Truth. Getting to Truth/Jesus is achieved only, directly and intuitively, from the living Jesus, from His living Spirit through our own spirit (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14). This has nothing to do with physical things, like the Bible (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14). Jesus never could and never did deliver Truth in physically spoken or physically written words. Truth is never deliver in that manner. Truth cannot be physically written down in any book. "-Gurucam

False dichotomy-made up. That's mysticism. That's subjectivity. That's Buddhism.

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"For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth" Romans 9:17 KJV

"And in very deed for this cause have I(referring to the LORD-emphasis mine) raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth" Exodus 9:16 KJV

Notice, Moses had not even written this scripture, and yet it says "the scripture saith".

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." Galatians 3:8 KJV

"And I(referring to the LORD-emphasis mine) will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Genesis 12:3 KJV

Notice, Abraham was before Moses. And yet, "the scripture" is cited as "saying' to Abraham......:

"Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." Galatians 4:30 KJV

"And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir" Genesis. 15:4 KJV

"Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac" Genesis 21:10 KJV

Same situation.-the word of the LORD"=the scripture that saith, before Moses had written it=Genesis(he was not even alive).

Thus, what the scripture says is equivalent to "the word of the LORD", and what God says. The Holy Bible makes no distinction. Of course, this is incomprehensible to unbelief, and those who deny the preservation, inspiration, and inerrancy of this book, and its final authority.





2. A simple concept: If the absolute standard of/in anything is somewhat variable, flexible, or “imperfect”, what comes from it insofar as absoluteness and perfection is concerned is not a secret/"mystery."

"How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?" Job 6:25 KJV

"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him." 2 Samuel 22:31 KJV

"And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth." 1 Kings 17:24 KJV

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." Psalms 12:6 KJV

"As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him." Psalms 18:30 KJV

"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." Psalms 19:7 KJV

"For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth." Psalms 33:4 KJV

"Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it." Psalms 119:140 KJV

"And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments." Psalms 119:43 KJV

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalms 119:160 KJV

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." Proverbs 30:5 KJV

"...the scripture of truth...." Daniel 10:21 KJV

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:17 KJV

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." 2 Corinthians 4:2 KJV

"By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,..." 2 Corinthians 6:7 KJV

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,..." Ephesians 1:13 KJV

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." 1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV

"...the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." James 1:18 KJV

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23 KJV

Furthermore, the Holy Bible also testifies of the praise, the reverence, the respect, the awe we are commanded to have for the word of God:

"Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food" Job 23:12 KJV

"In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me." Psalms 56:4 KJV

"In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word." Psalms 56:10 KJV

"Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word." Psalms 119:161 KJV

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Psalms 138:2 KJV

"Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?" Proverbs 22:20,21 KJV


"For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word." Isaiah 66:2 KJV

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord:....." Acts 13:48 KJV

"Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:..." 2 Thes. 3:1 KJV


The Holy Bible testifies of the reverence, the respect, and the honour we are commanded to display towards the LORD God's Holy Name:
"Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious. " Psalms 66:2 KJV

If the Lord Jesus Christ's name is so precious to God the Father, and it is(Acts 4:12, 19:17; Philippians 2:9-10; Eph. 1:21; 2 Thes. 1:12 ; Hebrews 1:4), and if God's own "...great name..."(Jeremiah 44:26, Ezekiel 36:23), His "...holy name...."(the most often cited attribute of the LORD God and His name is "holy"-Mt. 6:9; Luke 1:49, 11:2.......) is even exalted above all blessing, praise, and "honour"(Psalms 66:2), and it is(Deut. 28:58; 2 Samuel 7:26, 22:50; 1 Kings 8:42; 1 Chron. 16:29, 17:24, 23:13, 29:13; Neh. 1:11, 9:5; Job 1:21; Psalms 8:1, 8:9, 29:2, 34:3, 44:8, 48:10, 52:9, 54:6, 61:5, 68:4, 69:30, 72:17, 72:19, 79:9, 86:9, 86:12, 96:2, 96:8, 99:3, 100:4, 103:1, 111:9, 113:1-3, 115:1, 135:1, 142:7, 145:1-2, 148:5,13; Isaiah 12:4, 24:15, 25:1, 29:23, 48:11, 56:6; Jer. 10:6, 34:16; Ez. 39:7; Daniel 2:20; Malachi 2:2; John 12:28 ; Rev. 15:4 ), and if God has magnified His word above His own name, and He did and has(Psalms 138:2), then this is not a trivial matte.,

The integrity of our faith, the faith, is dependent on the integrity of the word of God, is dependent on the "sure word"(2 Peter 1:19, "For the word of the LORD" must be"...right....", if all of the works of the LORD, including our justification, are to be "done in truth"(Psalms 33:4). The authority of which we believers speak is dependent on the final authority of "the" Holy Bible, "the" word of God,"...the scripture of truth...."(Daniel 10:21), which "....is true from the beginning"(Psalms 119:160).

My first priority as a Christian will always be: I will proclaim only that "message" that is derived from a "credible witness." If the witness is not credible, then "interpretation"="the MESSAGE", is divorced from objective reality. No interpretation, no "the Message", is worthwhile, or credible, if truth can still be considered truth despite ERRORS. If biblical certainty/assurance ar! e lost, then biblical authority, and its resulting "interpretation"/"the MESSAGE" is impossible. If the biblical text is unreliable, then the Holy Bible's own claims about representing the full and objective truth about God cannot be substantiated or believed. The Holy Bible's authority to rule over us, to call us back to the LORD God, to offer justification and eternal life through the offence of the cross, and the resurrection, and any "interpretive methods", evaporates. And a discussion of the soundness of any interpretation, any understanding the LORD God's revelation of Himself, and His "blueprint" for all, is mere "going through the motions", "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic", if the source for understanding these objective truths is flawed in any way.. Therefore, if any supposed "the Holy Bible" claiming to be the word of God has errors, then it is not the word of God. And those who make the claim that the word of God can have errors, and still be considered the word of God, they are speaking not "...according to this word, it is because there is no light in them"(Isaiah 8:20). This I have learned from the Holy Bible's own testimony, if it is to believed. I take "God at His word(the simple definition of faith), and it is that simple.

[john w]

"The Bible is simply good news. It is simply the good news about how to get onto Truth/Jesus. The Bible is not the Truth.Only Jesus is the Truth. Getting to Truth/Jesus is achieved only, directly and intuitively, from the living Jesus, from His living Spirit through our own spirit (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14). This has nothing to do with physical things, like the Bible (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14). Jesus never could and never did deliver Truth in physically spoken or physically written words. Truth is never deliver in that manner. Truth cannot be physically written down in any book. "-Gurucam

False dichotomy-made up.

You cannot separate the living word, from the written word-the LORD God does not.

And just how were you able to come to know "God", to know the Lord Jesus Christ, without the scriptures revealing Him to you?(rhetorical q). Did God come to you in a dream?You would have no knowledge of the LORD God, to know the Lord Jesus Christ, apart from/without His word, and this word must be w/o error to have any credibility. This is scriptures testimony.

Which "Jesus"? When discussing the Lord Jesus Christ, we need to make sure we are discussing the Jesus Christ of "the Bible", and not "another Jesus"(2 Cor. 11:4 KJV) and the only way to discuss the Lord Jesus Christ of "the Bible" is to make sure we know we are speaking from the "pure word." This is not too hard to grasp(The Pharisees nullified the word of God by their tradition-this was the issue, not "small stuff").

That is, you cannot separate the living word, from the written word-the LORD God does not. How do we come to know the Lord Jesus Christ? Did He come to us in a vision or a dream, or did we read about Him? Did He speak to us in an audible voice, or just telepathically communicate with us? No! We can only know Him through the written word! And that is the issue!


I "...know not any..."(Is. 44:8 KJV) God apart from the God that is revealed in the Holy Bible, and in and through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Know this-to those who "argue" something along the lines of "my authority is Jesus...my mandate is Jesus.....", I say, .

"But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Cor. 14:38 KJV

The word ignorant is a good biblical word-Paul uses it over and over again. It is not used by the Holy Spirit in a derogatory sense of "stupid"-it merely means "lack of knowledge."


Your "argument is similar to those who say "only God is infallible, not the book/any book...God/the Lord Jesus Christ is my authority, not the book/any book....I trust God/the Lord Jesus Christ, not the book/any book........"


Again, I say, what God, what "Christ", what "Jesus"? We have no knowledge of God, of His Christ, without that vehicle by which He has mandated to reveal Himself-a book. The Jews have a "god", and a "Christ"/"Messiah", as revealed in a book-the OT; the Roman Catholics have a "Jesus", as revealed in a book, the Holy Bible and tradition; Islam has a "Jesus", as revealed in a book, the Koran; Mormons have a "god", as revealed in a book, the Holy Bible, and the BOM.........Does that make these representations true? Biblical Christianity rests on the premise that the Holy Bible alone is the source of truth, and biblical infallibility as the only rational, reasonable(Is. 1:18 KJV) defensible position. Without biblical inerrancy, this is "pulling the rug from under " objective truth, and man, not God, becomes the reference point for truth.Without such, it is an exercise in subjectivism(Judges 21:25 KJV), relativism, and mysticism-a sophisticated form of idolatry, where man "invents" a "god", a "Christ", a "Jesus", of his own choosing/imagination..

When we speak of the "word", we can never separate the living word, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the written word, the scripture of truth. The biblical testimony is that faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is only obtained from faith in the Holy Bible that reveals Him. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ cannot be divorced/separated from faith/trust in the scriptures that reveals Him, i.e., who He is and His work. The Lord Jesus Christ, the living word, reveals the invisible God(Jn. 1:18 KJV). It is not that we have to explain the Lord Jesus Christ, but that His mission is to explain God to us. He interprets God the Father, and we are to believe Him. Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ is called "The word of God" because He makes known, reveals, and explains God the Father. And this is why the Scriptures are called "the word of God", because they make known God the Father and the only begotten Son, by the Holy Spirit, the author of the word.

The Lord Jesus Christ is "the way" to God the Father(Jn. 14 KJV). He makes known God to us in all His attributes, will, and words, "For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me", "I have given them thy word","Thy word is truth"(Jn. 17:8 KJV,14,17 KJV)-it is always "THY word".

In like manner, the written word, the scripture, is given in order to interpret, and to testify of the Lord Jesus Christ. And this is why the Lord Jesus Christ is the one great subject of the word.

This is why the Holy Spirit is the interpreter of both. The Holy Spirit's mission is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ(Jn. 16:14 KJV). He receives and shows the things of Christ. But He shows them in the written word(1 Cor. 2:9-14 KJV). And this is why it must be He and He alone who enables us to "Preach the word"(2 Tim. 4:2 KJV).

Thus, we have the word in 3 manifestations:
The "incarnate" word
The written word
The preached word

There is no other. The Lord Jesus Christ reveals God the Father. The scripture reveals the Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit reveals both in the written and preached word(1 Cor . 12:7,8 KJV).

I suggest you "check out scriptures"(Acts 17:11 KJV), and quote the scriptures, as the LORD God, Jesus Christ "mandates" you do(notice the number of times He quotes scripture, "It is written....the scripture saith......" over and over and over and.....), believe the biblical testimony, and not rely on your opinion(Judges 21:25 KJV).

[OMEGA]

What are you guys doing with all this stuff.

You guys should write a book together.

[john w]

Originally Posted by OMEGA

What are you guys doing with all this stuff.

You guys should write a book together.

You should step aside, sonny, and stay in the bleachers/foxhole, while the troops are at war. Just stay out of the way. War is rough. With me? Good.

[Lee52]

You know Gurucam, I am praying for you daily. I am praying that GOD will open your mind and your heart to His Truth of salvation in Christ Jesus. I am praying that you will read the Bible for understanding instead of the corruption which you are spewing out. I am praying that GOD will send the fullness of His Holy Spirit to you to cast out the confusion which you so obviously show by your posts. I am praying for you Gurucam, that GOD will reknew your mind as you read the Bible so that instead of the lies you are putting forth here, you will begin to see and understand the Truth of GOD and begin to post the GOD's Truth instead of confusion.

I am praying to GOD on your behalf Gurucam.
I am praying for you.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by OMEGA

Hey Guru man,

How about these Scriptures..

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

They are totally valid.

The law, commandments, canons and the other ideals and laws in the scriptures are very intact and valid for Israel.

Every one under Peter's commission are 'Israel'. Peter's commission spans or cover what is know to be Christian every where. I call that traditional Christianity which is not Christianity at all but simply slightly modified Moses-ism under Peter and Co. Peter was simply a replacement for Moses with a few different things added. Peter's following are not different from Moses' following. They are under the law, commandments, canons and the other ideals and laws in the scriptures and not under Grace and being in Christ is not for them.

However Paul's commission is totally different. Paul's commission is the New one. Paul's commission is for those in Christ. Paul's commission is about being under the Spirit of Jesus as discerned within one's own heart or spirit. The law, commandments, canons and the other ideals and laws in the scriptures are done away with for those in Christ. Those in Christ are under Grace of God and not under the law, commandments, canons and the other ideals and laws in the scriptures.

Those in Christ are humans who have embraced and are under Paul's commission. Only those in Paul's commission get Truth. However they do not get Truth in the written scriptures (i.e. the Bible). Truth is not available in the Bible. This is confirmed in 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14. Those in Christ get Truth directly and intuitively (i.e. through a none physical pathway) from the (none physical) Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth, through their own (none physical) hearts or spirits.


Peter has the very great majority (i.e. all but a few) 'called'. They do not get Truth, they err and are not chosen.

Paul has the few from among the many 'called'. They get Truth do not err and are chosen.

And so is the reality behind, Jesus' prophesy: many are called and few chosen.

Therefore the scriptures which you quoted are indeed still valid and intact. However as these verses them selves confirmed they are for Israel and not for Christians.

Israel did not listen to God . . . they were a defiant and unruly nation (re. Romans: 10 verse: 21) . . . But of Israel he says: All day long I have held out my hand to a disobedient and contrary people. They delighted in the Old covenant. Therefore they did not get the New covenant. They got a modified version of the Old covenant i.e. new laws were added to the Old one to appease them. These were given to guide and manage them until they come to spirit awareness and are given to know Truth. This covenant is the gospel of circumcision which was committed to Peter.

Paul's commission is under the gospel of un-circumcision and it is totally different. Paul's commission is under the Spirit without any laws. For those under the New covenant, the following is divinely decreed: "now the lord is that Spirit (of Jesus) and where the Spirit is there is liberty" (re. 2 Corinthians:3 verse: 17).

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

Gurucam - It is almost ironic that you quote the Bible as the source of truth to say that it doesn't contain truth for mature Christians. You are mistaken about the law as well. You rely far too heavily on your interpretation of Paul's letters.

I know others have been round with you on this subject so I doubt I will do much good, but here goes:
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy cmind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


This one is for Gurucam 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The KJV N.T. is important and useful as motivation to get onto Truth. It is also the instructions about how to get to Truth. It is not the Truth which can save and deliver you. The Truth which can and will save and deliver you can be had only through a direct intuitive connection between your spirit and the Spirit of Jesus.

The KJV N.T. seeks to be everything important but the Truth.

The KJV N.T. is the best thing just short of the Truth.

The KJV N.T. is not the Truth simply because the Truth cannot be rendered in physically spoken and physically written words (re. 1 Corinthians: 2 verse: 9 to 14).

I quote the KJV N.T. only to validate that one must seek Truth directly and intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus through one's own spirit or heart.

With respect to Truth, this is all that the KJV N.T. can do.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Lee52

You know Gurucam, I am praying for you daily.

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Gurucam,
The time you spent composing your last post on this thread is not unnoticed. Neither is that you are incorrect on many points. You have too much of man's ideas, and not enough of God's truth.

If the KJV N.T. says that God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7).

If the KJV N.T. says that one must search one's heart to know what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and do (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27).

If the KJV N.T. says that those who are led by the Spirit are children of God (re. Romans: 8 verse: 14)

If the KJV N.T. says that now (i.e. as of 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17)

Then how you can come up with that all pervading belief in traditional Christianity that every one is a child of God, 'just so' without going through the above steps? That widely held belief in traditional Christianity must be dead wrong. 'Dead' as 'killeth'-ing one spiritually and burying one deep inside the earth.

What good reason can there be for ignoring these revelations? Becoming a child of God is only and all about the Spirit. When you hold and promote another path to becoming a child of God, you are blaspheming the Spirit. That is not a forgivable sin (re. Matthew 12:31). That is high corruption. Jesus' efforts are wasted on the likes of you.

Seem that Jesus knew that you all will be passing off foolishness for Truth in the name of Christianity.

That led Jesus to prophesies many will be called and few chosen. That also led Him to prophesy and warn that people err when they do not know Truth and that many false prophets will come in His name and misguide many.

Look it is being fulfilled right before you in traditional Christianity. If the above three revelations, as quoted above, are true then, what is upheld and believed in traditional Christianity must be foolishness.

Is this a lie? Are you seeking to say that Jesus' prophesy is not coming through or will not come through?

Are you denying Jesus His fulfillment of His prophesy simply because you do not want to be wrong, although your errors are clearly written, as plain as day, on the wall right in from of you?

Lee52, I would welcome it if I believe that your praying for me is a good thing. However it is clear that you are blaspheming the Spirit and that is a very serious sin. You should apply all your prays to help your delicate condition.

I have enough blessings so as not to make you divert your pray from seeking you own forgiveness and guidance to me and my need. Actually it very common to see suffering people in traditional Christianity offering to pray for far more fortunate people. Something these people cannot even properly feed and cloth themselves and they come offering to pray for others. I am sorry to tell you that that is absolute foolishness.

One is well advise to ask no less than Jesus in His Spirit to pray for one. Jesus has overcome far beyond our simple human needs and He know how to make intercession with God, work.

Isn't it foolish to have Peter or you or a simple suffering person pray for one when one can seek out Jesus, through His Spirit, to make intercession for one with God?

Why do you seek to usurp the job of the Spirit. Don't you know that that is denial of the Spirit and therefore blasphemy of the Spirit?

At any event, Jesus, in His Spirit makes intercessions for me with God. This is the recommended appraoch for those in Christ (re. Romans: 8 verse: 26 & 27).

I accepted and adapted.

In Peter's church, Peter has appointed himself to make intercession with God on behalf of his charges. How far behind and very secondary is that.

I notice that you have bough into that Satanic Peter idea. And you have extended the idea so that you and the likes of you can also make intercession with God for other humans. Now any simple starving human offers to pray for people. Don't you think that they should seek their own survival and salvation and deliverance before they offer to pray for anyone?

Friend the Lord is now that Spirit of Jesus. and He stand ready to make intersession with God for humans. Apparently you did not get the memo. Those who accept this also accept that only Jesus through His Spirit make intercession for them. If Peter or you seek to make intercession on behalf of Christians you are simply continuing the Satanic Antichrist tradition of the unawares mentioned in Galatians: 2 verse: 4. Those unaware were persecuting Christians and seeking to bring them under Peter and Co. and the like of you, who want to come between them and God. You must believe that you are good like or equal to, Jesus in His Spirit? Or you must be in the service of Satan Peter.

You seeking to pray for someone is wrong simply and especially because the very great majority in traditional Christianity practice praying for others instead of leaving Jesus to his God given mission and the very great majority of them are not chosen because they err. You are running with (following the cues of) the very wrong crowd.

Promote Jesus in His Spirit and forget that ego trip about seeking to pray for anyone, you will be more blessed that way and you will not be blaspheming the Spirit.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

If

I'm wondering if your comments about the word of truth can be from when the phrase is used in scripture, as opposed to when you think of the word "word" or "truth" when reading the KJV N.T.