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The Strange Link between Homosexuality and Atheism -
July 20th, 2012, 12:45 PM
Its not necessary to "prove" the premise. Here I'm not interested in proving the link, or even detailing it with precision. Its enough just to apply a certain pragmatic common sense, along with general observations.
What I'd rather focus on is the Why.
There obviously is a link between homosexuality and atheism. The question is, Why is there a link between the two?
There quite rightly appears to be no scientific reason or biological necessity for such a link. In that case, it might be purely cultural or political in nature, and if so, further questions must be asked, in regard to the objectivity and honesty of those who take strong sides on both issues.
There are are many religions which don't make a big deal about homosexuality, or treat it as a non-issue, or even encourage it.
There are many homosexuals who honestly have no interest in religious issues, or in science, or in evolution or such debates. They don't see their sexual preferences as being relevant to the question of the existence of God, or the accuracy of evolutionary theory.
So again, the question raises itself, and also a whole bunch of red flags for those who promote various platforms or drive agendas.
Why should an atheist be homosexual, or pro-homosexual, or even tolerant of homosexual behavior?
Why should a homosexual take sides on the existence of God, or evolutionary theories?
The many recent blogsites are a good example of the link, and a great place to question just what the real agenda is, and why (these are just examples):
Not only should the majority of Americans be concerned that two groups, each containing only 2.5% to 3% of the population, should set the 'new norm' for moral and ethical standards, but that they should be forming an alliance, not for ethical reasons, but for pragmatic reasons of political manipulation.
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were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
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July 20th, 2012, 12:59 PM
Uh...where is the obvious link between homosexuality and atheism? You can't focus on why until you've proved you have a premise. So far...you've got nothing.
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Why should an atheist be homosexual, or pro-homosexual, or even tolerant of homosexual behavior?
Atheists like everyone will be homosexual simply if they happen born that way, just like Christian homosexuals.
Why should atheists inherently be intolerant of anyone particularly here since there is no dogma or presumed divine diktat to obey?
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Originally Posted by Nazaroo
Why should a homosexual take sides on the existence of God, or evolutionary theories?
Search me but I'm not a homosexual.
Any minority groups will tend to have an affinity to some extent imo.
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Uh...where is the obvious link between homosexuality and atheism? You can't focus on why until you've proved you have a premise. So far...you've got nothing.
There is an obvious logical link between the two.
The natural way to reject imposed moral standards stemming from religions that claim that commands were issued from God and form a moral and ethical framework for all, is to reject the premise that God spoke those commands, and that indeed God exists. The idea is to remove any form of compulsion or requirement to follow those commands.
The link then, is that homosexuals have a desire to oppose those who would impose prohibitions on their own sexual preferences, and reject any form of moral restraint based upon commands from a 'superior' being such as a God, and alleged authority granted by that entity.
In embracing their own sexual preferences, and finding them in opposition to commandments and claims of authority for enforcement from God, they naturally and overtly, that is consciously with reasonable awareness reject the claims of a moral God, and the simplest and easiest route is rejection of God's existence (i.e., Atheism).
In finding themselves and their sexual preferences and moral lifestyle in direct opposition to religion, many homosexuals will deliberately make a conscious choice in favor of agnosticism and especially atheism, as long as that choice appears feasible or offers the possibility of a viable strategy.
I think that since many homosexuals openly espouse Atheism for this very reason, and that they reject all theistic claims and worldviews in order to deny the authority of alleged commands from a Superior Being, the link seems self-evident.
I would assume that someone taking the extreme position that there is no link whatsoever between homosexuality and atheism would carry the burden of proving their own claim, or at least have to offer plausible alternate explanations for the open and informed choice of homosexuals in favor of Atheism.
They would especially be required to explain why many homosexuals themselves would contradict them, and account for the discrepancy between the claim of no link, and the claim of homosexuals that they have made informed choices which suit their own preferences and lifestyles.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
If Christians have decided to shun any particular groups and then cry foul in that they are then united in a rebellion against their Christian dogma seems just a little bit rich to me.
Atheists like everyone will be homosexual simply if they happen [to be] born that way, just like Christian homosexuals.
Well, the assumption here is that homosexuals "are born that way".
I doubt all homosexuals would agree with you.
Its a common explanation/excuse, but lacking in scientific support.
Apparently Christians aren't the only persons capable of bigoted or uninformed opinions. I imagine many homosexuals also can be bigoted in a variety of ways.
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Why should atheists inherently be intolerant of anyone particularly here since there is no dogma or presumed divine diktat to obey?
For the same reason that others are often intolerant:
xenophobia, fear of the unknown, ignorance, poor education, cultural influences, religious dogmas. etc.
Atheism is hardly a magic bullet that makes a man informed, and tolerant.
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Any minority groups will tend to have an affinity to some extent imo.
This point does however make some sense.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
"There are are many religions which don't make a big deal about homosexuality, or treat it as a non-issue, or even encourage it."
Other than phony pagan religions, what other religions would those be?
Well, there are certainly "phoney pagan religions", like the revival of witchcraft in the 1880s-1960s, which were generated on an uninformed romantic notion and undeserved mystique, and sold a lot of paperbacks and paraphenalia to the gullible ("There's a sucker born every minute" - Barnum)
But are all pagan (non-Christian) religions phoney in that sense? (i.e. blatant fraud, like the "Satanic Church" manufactured by Anton LeVay?)
Some pagan religions seem more like authentic cultural and historical artifacts, such as Confucianism, Taoism, Shinto, shamanism etc.
Perhaps you only meant the popular 'new age' artificially created fads in the West, but I sense you may have meant to include all non-Christian religion as unauthentic.
However, where would that place the religion of Moses?
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
If Christians have decided to shun any particular groups and then cry foul in that they are then united in a rebellion against their Christian dogma seems just a little bit rich to me.
This is understandable. But I think I would tend to doubt the authenticity and depth of any "union" between groups which really don't have anything in common other than a perceived enemy.
Sure there is a certain 'loyalty' in criminal gangs, like the mafia and bikers, but how easy it is to subvert such pretended fealty in the face of prison, death, torture, or even money.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Well, the assumption here is that homosexuals "are born that way".
I doubt all homosexuals would agree with you.
Its a common explanation/excuse, but lacking in scientific support.
Apparently Christians aren't the only persons capable of bigoted or uninformed opinions. I imagine many homosexuals also can be bigoted in a variety of ways.
Well we know that people are born and some turn out to be gay. I'm rather sure that the way I am is not something that could be changed and that seems to be generally how gays seem to say it is for them too.
Anyone can be a bigot imo.
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Originally Posted by Nazaroo
Atheism is hardly a magic bullet that makes a man informed, and tolerant.
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July 20th, 2012, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nazaroo
Not only should the majority of Americans be concerned that two groups, each containing only 2.5% to 3% of the population, should set the 'new norm' for moral and ethical standards, but that they should be forming an alliance, not for ethical reasons, but for pragmatic reasons of political manipulation.
OH SNAP!!!!
He's got us dead to rights, folks! The Evil Atheist Conspiracy™ and its Nefarious Quest To Rule The World (MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!) is exposed!
If anybody needs me, I'll be in my Secret Underground Laboratory, working on launch vehicles for those Orbital Mind-Control Lasers; the timetable has just been moved up!
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Why do you insist on continuing to say something for which there is no factual support?
On the contrary, as I see it we are all clearly born with our human physical traits at least, as described by our genes it seems. While I at least (and science) regard Darwinian evolution as a fact and as their cause, so I see no reason to think that basic mental traits should be in any way excluded given that the human brain evolved.
My own sexual orientation is factual evidence to me that things just happen that way, while gays would tend to say the same thing imo. All is based on factual evidence which is compelling enough for me anyway to believe it is so.
I really don't mind if you don't believe it yourself LH but then you seem to be someone whose own beliefs are formed from ancient scripture or perhaps plucked out of thin air, without much apparent need for material facts anyway. IOW your double standards are showing.
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