[jerzy]

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

One wonders whom and how Jesus made blind.

[ttruscott]

Those with the mark of Cain, the tares in the church...those who follow tradition and orthodoxy rather than the Holy Spirit.

Peace, Ted

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by ttruscott

Those with the mark of Cain, the tares in the church...those who follow tradition and orthodoxy rather than the Holy Spirit.

Peace, Ted

Does it mean that Christians don't need the Bible?

Let’s see.

Jesus always spoke to the Jews in parables (except of the disciples) so they wouldn't understand.

They would understand if they remembered the prophets.

Question is, what happens to Christians who don't know the prophets and read the same parables?

Aren't they blinded to?

[john w]

"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."-John 9:39 KJV


"I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."-Luke 15:17 KJV

Some need no repentance? No, that contradicts the book. The Jew, and their national pride, self righteousness, thought of themselves as: "art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness," per Romans 2:19. And yet, the Lord Jesus Christ indicted them, the Pharisees, and scribes, as being "blind guides...fools and blind..."(Mt. 23:16 KJV, 19, 24 KJV), and survey Romans 2:28-29 KJV.

Those which "see" in John 9:39 KJV are the ones who boast that "we see." No one who actually could "see" was ever made blind; however, all men were, by nature, like the man born blind, the key difference being not in blindness, but in recognition of their need. The attitude of the Pharisees, the scribes here is the point the Lord Jesus Christ was emphasizing. They were attempting to obtain the truth of this miracle in John of the blind man. But they "beat up" the man who was the recipient of the miracle, and their words...

"They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out."-John 9:34 KJV

...was their self righteous claim that they could see, they being a "mini picture" reflecting the state and mindset of the nation.

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by john w

"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."-John 9:39 KJV


"I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."-Luke 15:17 KJV

Some need no repentance? No, that contradicts the book. The Jew, and their national pride, self righteousness, thought of themselves as: "art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness," per Romans 2:19. And yet, the Lord Jesus Christ indicted them, the Pharisees, and scribes, as being "blind guides...fools and blind..."(Mt. 23:16 KJV, 19, 24 KJV), and survey Romans 2:28-29 KJV.

Those which "see" in John 9:39 KJV are the ones who boast that "we see." No one who actually could "see" was ever made blind; however, all men were, by nature, like the man born blind, the key difference being not in blindness, but in recognition of their need. The attitude of the Pharisees, the scribes here is the point the Lord Jesus Christ was emphasizing. They were attempting to obtain the truth of this miracle in John of the blind man. But they "beat up" the man who was the recipient of the miracle, and their words...

"They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out."-John 9:34 KJV

...was their self righteous claim that they could see, they being a "mini picture" reflecting the state and mindset of the nation.

Correct.

So what you say about the parables?

Do you know the Father the only one true God from the OT or just got blinded to?

[john w]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Correct.

So what you say about the parables?

Do you know the Father the only one true God from the OT or just got blinded to?

"Do you know the Father the only one true God from the OT or just got blinded to?"-Jezyjoe

Did your parents have any kids that lived?

So there.

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by john w

"Do you know the Father the only one true God from the OT or just got blinded to?"-Jezyjoe

Did your parents have any kids that lived?

So there.

Is this another Trinitarian thread of killing me?

[john w]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Is this another Trinitarian thread of killing me?

And just from whence do you say you come up with these stumpers?

[tomlapalm]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

One wonders whom and how Jesus made blind.

He didn't make them blind ,He tried to show them they were blind and realize their need but the would not

Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Jhn 9:40 And [some] of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Jhn 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth

"blind"typhlos also means "mentally blind"

sound like TOL?

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by tomlapalm

He didn't make them blind ,He tried to show them they were blind and realize their need but the would not

Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Jhn 9:40 And [some] of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Jhn 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth

"blind"typhlos also means "mentally blind"

sound like TOL?

So why Jesus spoke to them in parables?

[OMEGA]

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God,

a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,

rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
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[Bradley D]

"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people" (Ezekiel 12:2).

There are many people that even though the truth is right in front of them refuse to accept it because of their own sinful selfish wants.

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Bradley D

"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people" (Ezekiel 12:2).

There are many people that even though the truth is right in front of them refuse to accept it because of their own sinful selfish wants.

Yes. Their spiritual 'constitutions' are such they cannot receive it.

[tomlapalm]

Originally Posted by jerzy

So why Jesus spoke to them in parables?

He said If you can't understand earthly how can I tell you heavenly?

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by tomlapalm

He said If you can't understand earthly how can I tell you heavenly?

So why Jesus spoke to them in parables?